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Music body may act on illegal downloadingJamie Smyth, Technology Reporter
15/04/2004


The Irish Recorded Music Association (IRMA) is considering taking legal action against thousands of people who copy music illegally using the Internet.

The trade body, which represents music firms, is rethinking its policy on illegal downloading after studying a report which shows that 236,000 people have downloaded music illegally.

Many of them are young, middle class males who use home computers, file-sharing software and the Internet to copy music tracks and albums for free, according to the report.

The IRMA report, which has been seen by The Irish Times, concludes that the scale of illegal copying is increasing and is a real concern for the music industry.

It estimates that up to four million blank CDs have been purchased in the past six months for copying music albums or tracks. This represents more than half the 7.8 million CDs sold in the same period, according to IRMA.

Music associations in the US, Denmark, Germany, Italy and Canada have already begun lawsuits against individuals accused of sharing music files. But so far IRMA has decided not to take legal action against Irish consumers. Instead, it has promoted education campaigns which seek to inform people that downloading music for free is illegal.

But IRMA's director general, Mr Dick Doyle, said yesterday the trade body was reconsidering its approach to illegal copying and did not rule out legal action.

"This kind of illegal activity will have consequences if people persist in downloading music for free," said Mr Doyle, who commissioned the IRMA report from the Dublin-based consultancy, Behaviour and Attitudes.

Under Irish law, people found guilty on a summary judgement of breaching music copyright are liable for fines of €1,900 per track or up to 12 months in prison.

Mr Doyle said the trade organisation was already using specialised software to track Irish people who are engaging in music file sharing over the web.

File sharing software enables people to link with other Internet users to share music and other types of files on their computers. Its use is tracked electronically. The IRMA report shows that just 1 per cent of people who have downloaded music from the web paid for it using one of the official websites offering music. This result was achieved in spite of high levels of awareness that downloading for free is illegal.

According to the IRMA report, more than half of the 1,200 adults surveyed said they knew it was illegal to copy music for free.

The scale of illegal music copying could be higher than the survey suggests given that children, who tend to be among the most prolific users of computers, did not take part in the survey. In the US, a 12-year-old girl was recently served with legal action for illegal copying of music.

Mr Doyle said illegal copying was prevalent among the 15 to 24- year-old age group, where 60 per cent have downloaded music.

He warned the problem would get worse as more people got access to broadband, which enabled them to download large computer files more quickly.

"I think the message we will roll out in the next few months will be aimed at mums and dads to warn them that illegal activities will have consequences."


© The Irish Times
 
roxy said:
"I think the message we will roll out in the next few months will be aimed at mums and dads to warn them that illegal activities will have consequences."


can honestly imagine that one,

kid: Ma! Will ya get me that new limp bizkit cd?
ma: Fuck off and download it for free off the net.
 
That IRMA guy was on the radio this morning. I'll show him a free download. Prick.

What was scary was that he pointed out that while some bands who want to give away tracks for free may do so whenever they want, a lot of them don't actually own the rights to their music if it's on a label, and wouldn't be allowed.

Yet another reminder to bands to do the homework before signing anything. So sinister.

 
jane said:
What was scary was that he pointed out that while some bands who want to give away tracks for free may do so whenever they want, a lot of them don't actually own the rights to their music if it's on a label, and wouldn't be allowed

ah sure thats how things are done these days... in fact that's how the fuckers in the remake of Starsky and Hutch took the piss out of a song that David Soul wrote... because he gave away the rights to the record company for drink money.

bastards. david soul shits all over them.

respect the Soul.
 
Alan Remorse said:
ah sure thats how things are done these days... in fact that's how the fuckers in the remake of Starsky and Hutch took the piss out of a song that David Soul wrote... because he gave away the rights to the record company for drink money.

bastards. david soul shits all over them.

respect the Soul.

the same David Soul who upon arriving late at a rolling stones concert, karate kicked in the glass doors of the venue
awesome!
i think he was with his wife and kids and everything!
 
he's the man alright. did anyone see him on the late late? sat next to Pat Kenny, it was like the opposite ends of the coolness spectrum together at last.
 
Alan Remorse said:
ah sure thats how things are done these days... in fact that's how the fuckers in the remake of Starsky and Hutch took the piss out of a song that David Soul wrote... because he gave away the rights to the record company for drink money.

.
I know, it's really the way it's always worked. Bands have always sold themselves to labels, but this is just a new caveat. Not only can a label make money off of you long after your sell-by date has passed, you can't even give your shit away for free.

It works that way with TV/film stuff, too. That's what happened with Mr Show. Despite the programme having a fanatical following, HBO refused to release any of it on video, and even Bob and David couldn't do it themselves. Despite it being their work of genius, they didn't own it. What they did do, however, was donate a load of their own videos to indie video shops, and you could borrow them for free. They just weren't allowed to make money off them.

I wonder will IRMA start cracking down on borrowing CDs off each other? Or listening to the radio? Or taking a dump that sounds like a current or past chart hit when it splashes into the bowl?
 
have you heard "the dump" by fancygoods?

jane said:
I wonder will IRMA start cracking down on... taking a dump that sounds like a current or past chart hit when it splashes into the bowl?
 
Bands need to follow Marillion's lead. They own all their (recent) stuff and licence it to a record company who just distribute it. Plus they pre-sold over 13,000 copies of their latest album... I'm expecting my special double cd in mega posh packaging in the post any day.
 
napster.jpg


hehe *snigger*

andrew
 
what I don't get is exactly how they can proove that someone is downloading mp3s illegally.
I mean, they claim to be working in conjunction with the isp's and monitoring what you are downloading. But All they could really do is scan through the binary stream coming from or going to your computer. And then I suppose they would have to try to look for mpeg1 layer3 headers in that stream. (The bits/byes of which, if youre downloading something else concurently, will not neccesarily be in sequence). Then assuming they do identify one they have to proove that your downloading/uploading it illegally.
And thats just 1 file. So the amoutn of work involved seems crazy. unless anyone else can think of a more efficent way of doing it?
 
i love the way they try and band cd burning and mp3's together.
its unworkable to try and stop file sharing, they need to cop on and re-think there business model.

look at naspster , they were shut down and there was an alternative.

i dont think mp3 downloaded off the net are any way more dangerous to record companys that copying tapes was.
 
das funkinstein said:
i dont think mp3 downloaded off the net are any way more dangerous to record companys that copying tapes was.
Of course it's not. And before that, we all taped songs off the radio, didn't we? I think that most people, if it's something you really like, want the 'real' thing: the CD with the sleeve and everything. Downloading MP3s to see what you like, to make a comp, etc, is not going to harm the music industry. If they try to stop it, I don't know how much music sales will improve. I wouldn't suggest they would decline, but still, if there's something I'm not sure I like, I'd rather listen to it for a while before I buy it.

I imagine a lot of people who download music off the web are downloading it to see if they might want to buy it, especially if it's something they might not otherwise hear on the radio. Plus, with most commercial radio having moved a bit closer to a 'pay to play' model, more interesting music is less likely to get played, so the internet is the place to seek it out.

But we're all preaching to the choir here. Is anyone on here actually for the ban on downloading MP3s?
 
FancyGoods said:
booo! booooo! the ban! boo the ban!
Oh, c'mon fancy, I can tell from your avatar that you're a big record company mogul just waiting to get your claws into our hard-earned pocket money.

Funny, just as I was writing that, a Fianna Fail lad came to my door to give me a leaflet. He looked a little bit Fancy, he did...
 
roxy said:
The IRMA report, which has been seen by The Irish Times, concludes that the scale of illegal copying is increasing and is a real concern for the music industry.

It estimates that up to four million blank CDs have been purchased in the past six months for copying music albums or tracks. This represents more than half the 7.8 million CDs sold in the same period, according to IRMA.


The fucking pricks.

Where did they get that estimate? Are they saying every blank cd bought is used for copying? What about the music I download legally, that I am allowed to burn to cd? Are they including them cds? Or the ones I use to store my hardcore porn collection on?

I oughta sue their asses.
 

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