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hot off the proverbial presses...

(and so the questions again are, how does this keep happening? which german promoter gets the blame this time? and has anyone tried hacking into mcd's site yet?)

"A SILVER MOUNT ZION at Whelans on Wednesday, January 17th

News updated on: 07-11-2000
The God Speed You Black Emperor off-shoot trio play Whelans on Wednesday, January 17th. God Speed sold out the Temple Bar Music Centre in April and rumour has it that they may yet return around Easter of next year.

Tickets for A Silver Mount Zion play Whelans on Wednesday, January 17th are £10 and are available from Ticketmaster here on mcd.ie, from Ticketmaster outlets nationwide and from the Ticketmaster credit card line on 1890 925 100.
Buy your tickets here.

© 2000 MCD MANAGEMENT SERVICES LIMITED. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED."
 
I have an idea.
How about all local bands agree to boycott MCD support slots?
MCD take in bucketloads of cash form the 'punters', but only give the support band £50, no matter how many turn up and no matter what their expenses. And they don't exactly give it willingly either. And Daragh Purcell smells.
I don't know about other bands, but £50 barely covers taxi fares for the Jimmy Cake.

There is a slim chance that this could lead to MCD booking overseas support acts of immensely high quality, without increasing their cover charges.

Wait, what's that over there? A pig....flying??
 
Ah well now y'see what you'd be depending on there now would be an element of solidarity, cooperation and dare I say it...UNITY IN THE SCENE, as it were.

Which isn't going to happen.

All you'd get would be SHITE local bands, or ones that didn't give a monkeys, playing all the MCD gigs.

And while we're on the subject, as pointed out by someone over the weekend, why isn't "the scene" up in arms over the fact that The Kabinboy are playing with At The Drive In?
 
yes keeror, local bands boycotting MCD is quite a good idea.
in theory.
so when it comes to rounding up the bands and convincing them, you can be assigned Neon, The Blew, Turn and BellX1. i'm sure these bands would forsake support slots over such an ethical matter.

or else, it will be A SILVER MT ZION with a special guest appearance by Wilt.
 
sorry for the repetition, when i wrote that last thing pete's reply wasn't yet up.

great minds n' all that....
 
Ahh Lads Lads Lads.
MCD do have us all by the balls. The Kabinboy par exampla. They know nothing about the ATDI gig what so ever. So they go "Right MCD haven't asked us to play we aren't playing". But they are all over the fucking posters, so all these people turn up thinking they are going to see The Kabinboy as-well as ATDI and then are miffed cos the Kabinboy don't play.
Kabinboy(local act) lose out no matter.
MCD still are pack of money grabbing wankers.
But that's just my opinion.
 
have I got this right? a band never got asked about doing a gig yet their name appeared on a poster....
hmmmmmmmmm... I wonder if I put on a gig with some busker guy from grafton street and then put ZZ Tops name on the poster, then ZZ Top would feel kinda oblijed to play despite me never asking them.....
 
joe. (14-11-2000 03:59 p.m.):
have I got this right? a band never got asked about doing a gig yet their name appeared on a poster....
hmmmmmmmmm...

Well that's the thing. Gary said Anna could have recieved an e-mail from ATDI to ask them to play but nothing from MCD.
So how about the ZZ Topas
 
Jesus after just reading that I'm such a shit stirrer.
What I really know is:
GARY knows nothing about it.
ANNA meet ATDI and they could have asked the kabinboy to play. Therefore becoming the band(ATDI) responsiblity to sort it out with them(maybe not).

Well forgive my confusing the matter you all know which side of the fence I'm on and therefore how anything I say about MCD has a slant.
 
I can see the headline now -
ZZ Top in shock gasworks gig rumour!

I'd say Billy Gibbons would be into it!
 
the reason i suppose i'm concerned about the a silver mt zion thing is that godspeed were possibly the band who seemed the most concerned over the mcd situation when they were playing last time, so unless they were being completely disingenuous and misleading back then (and i don't think that they were), it seems unlikely that a silver mt zion (godspeed side-project for all those who haven't been listening, do pay attention please) would be leaping into bed with mcd. seeing as the situation last time was caused by a german promoter going through a uk promoter going through an irish promoter going through mcd, i suspect that we could be faced with the same situation now.

however, what's more worrying is the little sentence included saying "rumour has it that they may yet return around Easter of next year." mcd do not start rumours without some sort of basis in fact. therefore mcd want to get godspeed to play an mcd gig next easter, and you can bet they're not too concerned about the fact that the band might not want to do it their way. the time for action about this is now, before contracts are signed, before people are put in awkward situations, before the impression is given that we're just a load of meddling internet indie-fascists. i'll probably be emailing both band and record company later on.

as for the kabinboy/atd-i stuff, as far as i can see they've been put on a bill that they don't necessarily want to be on. one solution here might be to go around town with some pritt-stick and a load of photocopied strips and plaster mcd's atd-i posters with an explanatory note. (perhaps saying something like "the kabinboy will not be supporting at the drive-in, contrary to what this poster says. this is because they do not want to be associated with events run by mcd, whom they consider to be monopolistic and exploitative. furthermore, the kabinboy would like it to be known that their names were added to this bill without their prior consent. the kabinboy have never played at an mcd event, and never will. the kabinboy are an independent band." or something like that.)

apart from all that, there's this mooted idea about bands boycotting mcd gigs. if this is to be anything more than another nice litle pipedream, i reckon we need to do something concrete, like mentioning it to a few bands. if i remember rightly, the redneck manifesto turned down a support with ...trail of dead (or was it someone else?) due to the fact that it was an mcd gig, so it's not like this sort of action isn't without precedent. just off the top of my head, i think we could at least mention the idea to the redneck manifesto, estel, the jimmy cake, herv, c4 orchestra, stoat, joan of arse, coldspoon conspiracy, the satan clause, the asteroids, large mound and all the other usual suspects.

this is an ethical thing, and so of course the bands will have to make up their own minds, but if it could be demonstrated that there is a critical mass of independent dublin bands who were unwilling to slum it for mcd, then this could at least become something more than a clever idea, and bands who would otherwise sit on the fence about it might make a decision.

of course, now that i think about it, there are also a number of different ways to go about doing this. there could simply be an agreement amongst bands to politlely decline mcd gigs and mention to mcd that this is because of their attitude to mcd in general (rather than because, say, they haven't practiced enough). there could concievably be a public declaration of intent, with bands signing their names to a manifesto/letter/petition of some kind, which could then be distributed at gigs/in shops/all the usual places. however, this runs the risk of people getting cold feet and not signing due to the feeling that it's an act of bridge-burning, or recriminations and bitterness later if one of the signatories decides they will do mcd gigs after all.

however, it is an idea. any takers?
 
No offence germ but....
It's bad enough the state of MCD gigs(they usually pick some shit band that's one of their mates is in and gives them all the gigs) as it is let alone us incouraging decent bands not to play the gigs.
The way I see it the support band don't mean much.
And I'm Joss has many stories about what kind of shit MCD can pull if you start trying to book these bands instead.
I reckon better option e-mail any bands coming over see if they can do another gig for charity. Like a certain one soon(who's playing saturday I ask?). Then if MCD do go ape think of the head lines. "MCD pull charity gig"
PS all my ideas are stolen
 
oh so you're talking about low playing that gig in the cobblestone on saturday are you?and is that really a charity gig or just a cunning plan to bring down m.c.d.?
 
very briefly because i am tired
but i don't think the above posited is the solution.
people going to mcd gigs do not care who the support band is, and will unlikely pay attention to brando etc, who i very much doubt will have any interest in joining an mcd boycott.
the only thing i can see happening from an mcd boycott is a further drop off in interest in local bands and gigs in the city, and obviously that's about the last thing needed.
i genuinely think that presently the best thing to do is to play these gigs. yes, maybe it's unpleasant and we get ripped off but it's an opportunity to play for kids who know nothing about the smaller scene in dublin. maybe if their attention is grabbed by one of 'our' bands they'll come see a gig in doyles or the temple or wherever. just maybe

also, if i remember correctly, the rednecks didn't turn down the trail of dead gig because they boycott mcd, i'm sure they simply weren't able to.
 
are low really playin in de cobblestones, and as for the idea about charity gigs its a fuckin great one in my opinion, but undoubtably will be noticed by mcd who will write it into bands contracts, sadly.
 
It is a charity gig most definitely.
And like the posters says the special guests are very special. I don't really want anyone to get in trouble so if you're in Road ask Dave and Julie they'll confirm or deny.
You just never know whos reading...
 
I'm not sure how effective they'll be but the red box have started promoting their own gigs and, afaik, want to tackle mcd head on. I realise that it's the mean fiddler behind the whole thing but it's a start.
 
there's also 'the shelter' (which, i know, is run by aiken promotions, just as corporate, mac to mcd's microsoft if you will), but the fact remains that they do seem willing to put on interesting music, as evidenced by the slightly surreal sight of a full page ad on pg 3 of the evening herald for the shelter's opening week and the events to take place, including th julius geezer night with d'arse and omelette... anyone know if booking this is hideously exensive?
 

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