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in fairness, if you’re making any kind of reasonable argument as opposed to 2-3 line alarmist outbursts on social media, I will listen to you. But I’m going to listen to the trans community more because they’re the ones living through this.
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Add Alice Cooper to the list now
I will listen to anyone making reasonable points. I think many people are living through many things - I listen to considered points, and we all have to arrive at our own positions, I guess hopefully we can agree on that if nothing else.
Edit: I also meant to say that half the time I seem to gather my information from testimony of people's lived experiences, but also experts in the field (because they know more than I do, I respect the research) - to me that seems quite necessary, as so many subjects are very complicated, and sometimes there are various groups (although that term itself can be an unstable one, depending) living through things, and sometimes there are conflicts and clashes - it's important to really appreciate that. But again, that's how I feel, and I also believe in pluralism - so, carry on!
Edit: I also meant to say that half the time I seem to gather my information from testimony of people's lived experiences, but also experts in the field (because they know more than I do, I respect the research) - to me that seems quite necessary, as so many subjects are very complicated, and sometimes there are various groups (although that term itself can be an unstable one, depending) living through things, and sometimes there are conflicts and clashes - it's important to really appreciate that. But again, that's how I feel, and I also believe in pluralism - so, carry on!
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and Carlos Santana
If I was on the side of an argument that was being distorted by nazis, I'd be inclined to want to take it upon myself to tell them to shut the fuck up so my, arguably, coherent argument could be heard. I dunno, maybe Roisin has, at some point in the past, attacked terfs for inhibiting her ability to make her point. I don't recall when that was, though.
There will always be substantive points to consider from the opposing side of a debate. In recent times, when there were debates about marriage equality, the 8th amendment, that cunt Trump, Brexit, immigration, the same people have opted for an approach of trying to win an argument by shouting down, rather than by listening to, the other side. Those who did have points worth listening to, could also not be heard as a result.
When it comes to Trans rights, I have heard some arguments about trans athletes that have been well thought-out and well argued. That is such a minor issue though. I've moreso heard people telling me to listen to them, without telling me what they want me to listen to.
Maybe some day soon.
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Na, he's more of a Mussolini
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and the results are shite
as i kick them in to turn it off
awul singing. awful tunes.
she's an absolute chancer who's coasted on the talent of the other Moloko members
Goodness, I think Roisín Murphy has a beautiful voice, that album Mi Senti - just dusky loveliness...but each to their own opinion, which is hopefully the way forward 
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There are other Moloko members?
Mark Brydon is the only other one that I know of!
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Yea her ex.
She always works with (amazing) producers- and the results are consistently great. She's a legend and has more imagination, personality and talent than 99.9% of artists out there
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have to admire that confidence
In 1994, the two met at a party in Sheffield, where Murphy approached Brydon with the chat-up line, "Do you like my tight sweater? See how it fits my body!
In 1994, the two met at a party in Sheffield, where Murphy approached Brydon with the chat-up line, "Do you like my tight sweater? See how it fits my body!
have to admire that confidence
In 1994, the two met at a party in Sheffield, where Murphy approached Brydon with the chat-up line, "Do you like my tight sweater? See how it fits my body!
sure thats what you said to me when we met IRL first Johnny?
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I thought it sounded familiar
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Roisin had a good appearance on T Tiernan's show.
Came off well.
A pure artist.
And creatively she will always zag when you think she will zig, so it's usually exciting to get her new stuff.
Which goes to show that you can have a body of solid work spanning decades, but display an opinion that could be construed as wrong headed, and you can be sent to the cancelled mines for it.
And for those that don't know, it was the name of their first record
Came off well.
A pure artist.
And creatively she will always zag when you think she will zig, so it's usually exciting to get her new stuff.
Which goes to show that you can have a body of solid work spanning decades, but display an opinion that could be construed as wrong headed, and you can be sent to the cancelled mines for it.
Some people live life utterly without fear. It's wonderful to behold.have to admire that confidence
In 1994, the two met at a party in Sheffield, where Murphy approached Brydon with the chat-up line, "Do you like my tight sweater? See how it fits my body!
And for those that don't know, it was the name of their first record
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My parents when they saw Moloko on Jools Holland
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Also me when I hear what sounds like the same auto-tuned synthetic track like Bad Bunny, that everyone under 30 thinks is a total banger
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