for all you vegan girls... (1 Viewer)

[nooleen]

i had a nice pic of our table at my 'debs' with the smashed pint glasses on top (thanx eoin) and the empty buckfast bottles underneath (thanx monks of buckfast abbey)............also somebody under the table being passed a j and smashed milk jugs in the corner
needless to say it was surprisingly good fun

 

[Willie Willions]

That was a deadly lark, fun through smashing. And I didn't even fall asleep, or smash my face in!

 

[Lili Marlene]

I had the suckiest debs ever! No date, no Weeler (offered him a free ticket but nooo) and a whole other bunch of crap. Stupid world arrghh! s'funny though.

 

[DeAd_KeV]

skelator sure was cool

 

[Corm]

Originally posted by mazzyianne
I dunno about the whole supplements buzz.
I mean if u have to take em then ur just not eating right. Food's great, the good stuff tastes great, veggies an all.
Surely you shoule be able to be vegan without having to take supplements. And if u cant then ur better off not being vegan.

DOOOODGE.

Eating vegan properly all the time is expensive, not to mention difficult, especially when you don't have a stock of stuff with you, if you wanna eat something more than bread & peanut butter all the time...vitamins will take care of it for you. While expensive, they're easy as fuck to steal -next time you're buying a litre of soya milk, take some multivitamins from the "health" section and stuff 'em in your pocket while you're paying at the checkout...easy peasy, stayin' healthy.

It'd be nice to not have to take vitamin tablets, but we're living in a non-vegan world, so its not always possible to get by on food alone...if it were a vegan world, it'd be easy to get a wide range of vegan foods everywhere, and vitamin pills wouldn't be necessary. So take vitamin pills and contribute to a bigger vegan world and maybe some day you won't need to take them!

 

[Corm]

Originally posted by bohs punks
hhmmmmmm, sounds like one of those " why did i have to tempt faith by saying that" moments

Yep...one might recall Donal's hilarious "I'll never get my comeupance!" quip, mere days before being arrested and fined piles of moolah...

 

[Corm]

Re: proms

Originally posted by no_exit
are really lame.. they serve "cocktails" aka "pepsi", and they strategically make it (atleast in my high school) before graduation, so if you get caught drunk or on drugs you're not allowed to graduate. everyone was still drunk/tripping/coked up though...
the highlight of the prom i went to was being lifted up on a chair high above the crowd when "come on ilene" played. .|..|

Waaah, you went to your prom...it would have been funnier if everyone came on you when "come on ilene" was played...

 

[nooleen]

Originally posted by Corm
Yep...one might recall Donal's hilarious "I'll never get my comeupance!" quip, mere days before being arrested and fined piles of moolah...

hmmmm i was going to post back to this as well saying I'LL never get my comeuppance but i thought i better not tempt fate.
dag nammit.
then again if i had said it i'd probably have been superstitious about speaking too soon for the rest of my life.

 

[yames]

"

Originally posted by Corm Eating vegan properly all the time is expensive, not to mention difficult"

Might it not be that simply eating properly all the time can be difficult but only if you don´t take responsibility? As for cost, that´s up to you. It doesn´t have to be expensive.

Vitamin pills take a few weeks for the body to metabolise. Also there is a school of thought that they are wholly ineffective. Even if you believe that they do in fact work, this still doesn´t guarantee health, even by that rational.

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if it were a vegan world, it'd be easy to get a wide range of vegan foods everywhere"

Pulses, grains, fruit and vegetables are the four food groups that are vegan. I think they are widely available, no?

 

[Corm]

I don't think its easy to eat vegan properly all the time. You might not have time to cook, you might be in the middle of nowhere, you might be fuckin starvin and just want a bag of chips, etc etc...

 

[yames]

My point was that you can apply this to ANY diet, as I said already. It´s mostly a case of responsibility.

 

[Corm]

I'd say that its mostly a case of availabilty, and also responsibility. Yeah you can apply it to any diet, but it seems that you're saying that being vegan and getting the necessary nutrition is just as easy as being omnivorous and getting the necessary nutrition, and that its just a matter of personal laziness if you don't?

 

[no_exit]

Waaah, you went to your prom...it would have been funnier if everyone came on you when "come on ilene" was played...

hahahahaha yeah, it would've been funnier. but i guess i just have to settle with what i got...
and of course i went to prom... i didn't pay for a damn thing that night.

 

[niallmc]

B12 is important and isn't widely available in vegan food. Some marg and soya milk are fortified (and very importantly soya formula for babies). Yeast Extract has it and supplements are available. I used to think that supplements were wrong. B12 comes from plants grown in Canada - no less natural than eating veg grown in North America.
That reuters thing pissed me of. Two children died from neglect of parents. They weren't vegans (chicken was in the diet of one) but it could happen to vegan parents (and others) if they pay no attention to diet.
How did a post about 2 tragic incidents descend into talk about debs night????

 

[Lolo]

In an ideal world where you have the time, energy and inclination to eat your own fresh home made food all the time, you don't have to take supplements with a vegan diet, but I know very few people who manage that. Zinc is also hard to get from a veggie diet (and most meat eaters don't get enough either), so I've started to take a supplement, and noticed that I get far less colds than the rest of the people in my office.

 

[mazzyianne]

Originally posted by niallmc

How did a post about 2 tragic incidents descend into talk about debs night????

hahaha I was thinking the same thing myself. You can see how these threads just slide crazy places. The one about the Anti-way march on thumped ended up talking about what people were going to wear for pages and pages after about 2 posts about the march.

Hmmmm suplements, I'm still undecided, I dont take em. I dont get sick much tho. But I'm no stinkin vegan.

 

[steve albino]

B12 is found in yoghurt, and most other foods that contain similar bacteria, seaweed for B complex vitamins and zinc and phosphorus and a whole bunch of other trace vitamins. Even beer has B complex vitamans (because of the yeast) People who eat a lot of meat need more of certain elements to help them break down the meat so in many cases people on a vegan diet don't have the same dietary needs.
A balanced diet, vegan or non-vegan isn't just about what you eat it's also about food combinations and avoiding excesses of certain things (caffine etc.).

"I don't think its easy to eat vegan properly all the time. You might not have time to cook, you might be in the middle of nowhere, you might be fuckin starvin and just want a bag of chips, etc etc..."

"Eating properly" is a general thing, it doesn't mean you can't eat chips or miss meals from time to time if you have a well balanced diet (a vegan diet isn't all that difficult to sort out, just a minimum of thought and effort). Of course if convenience is the name of the game then stick to Mc Donalds and all the yummy multinational foodstuffs that are so easy to find.

"My point was that you can apply this to ANY diet, as I said already. It´s mostly a case of responsibility."

Right on.

 

[niallmc]

Don't ignore B12. Check out this link

http://www.vegansociety.com/html/info/b12sheet.htm

 

[Gar]

vitamins...the greatest scam in the world. if you generally haev a crap diet, yous till dont really need vitamins.

i eat sandwiches,chips pizza and eat meat. i'm never ill and i go to the gym.not fit but am surviving and enjoying myself.

see i lurv meat...mmmm dead pig....AND STEAK!christ i gotta kill summit and eat it now...

where's that canary i have... !bing

oh crap i already ate it. !bog

 

[seanstress]

a bit late on the subject but...

regarding the two young children who developed problems with brain development as a result of breast feeding from mothers on a vegan (pure vegetarian) diet. The cause was suspected to be vitamin B-12 deficiency and in both cases treatment with B-12 corrected most of their troubles.

Whenever a story surfaces condemning eating vegetables, especially when the focus is on those eccentric vegetarians, it makes front page news and is welcome reading for people longing to hear their meat- and dairy- centered diet is better than all that "health food nonsense."

Let me begin by acknowledging there is a little truth in most stories that make the headlines - this one is no exception. The truth here is that a vegan diet (a diet with no animal products of any kind), unless supplemented with B-12, is deficient in this vitamin, and has been found in very rare cases to result in problems of vitamin B-12 deficiency. B-12 is made by bacteria and is stored in the body parts of animals that eat these bacteria. If you search the medical literature carefully, you will find about a dozen cases ascribed to a vegetarian diet (search www.nlm.nih.gov) - and almost every one of these has made front page news. Compare this risk to 1.25 million heart attacks (half fatal) annually in the USA that get almost no media attention and are accepted as part of our modern way of life.

Furthermore, most reported cases of B-12 deficiency are not clear cut; they are surrounded with controversy because other factors are usually involved (like parental neglect, underlying diseases, and generally very poor nutrition). My reading of the case histories of the two children that generated this story leads me to believe that they were sickly and malnourished children for reasons other than simply a low supply of B-12 in their mother's breast milk. Read the report yourself and see what you think: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5204a1.htm. Regardless, any diet I recommend will be adequate in all nutrients to ensure excellent health.

B-12 is the only legitimate criticism of a healthy vegan diet

There are no other nutritional deficiencies caused by a vegan diet of whole plant foods - in other words, there is no chance of calcium, amino acid, protein, vitamin D, essential fatty acid, zinc, or iron deficiency - except B-12 deficiency. To avoid controversy from the scientific community or any criticism of my recommendations, I have for the past 25 years made a clear, consistent recommendation in all of my books and tapes about B-12. This is what I have written: If you follow our diet for more than 3 years or if you are pregnant or nursing, then take a minimum of 5 micrograms of B-12 a day. This recommendation avoids all risk of dietary-caused B-12 deficiency - the human body stores a 20 to 30 year reserve of B-12 in most people.

B-12 deficiency is usually accompanied by minor problems, like a well-tolerated anemia that is easily reversible with supplementation with the vitamin and/or changes in the nervous system, like tingling sensations (paresthesias) that are reversible until late stages. On very rare occasions more serious neurological consequences, like the kind of poor development in these two children, have been reported. When the victims are children with brain damage, the emotional juices of the sensation-seeking public flow overboard.

A B-12 sufficient diet causes serious illnesses for billions of people

Weigh this risk of B-12 deficiency from avoiding all animal products against an opposing stand of assuring sufficient B-12 by eating lots of meat, poultry and dairy products - in other words, the Western diet.

For the unborn infant the consequences of mother following the Western diet are:

1) An abnormally large baby that is too big to fit through the mother's birth canal, and therefore requiring a cesarean section - the medical description is "failure of progression of labor."(1) Twenty-five percent of mothers deliver by this major surgery in the USA.

2) Thousands of birth defects annually, of which most are known to be due to too little folic acid in the expectant mother's diet.(2) Folic acid is from foliage, in other words, plants. Birth defects from folic acid deficiency include spina bifida (the spinal canal fails to close in development of the spinal cord, and when left exposed, often causes paraplegia), and anencephalia (where the child is born without a brain). Heart deformities, cleft palate, and many other birth defects are also caused by eating too few vegetables by the mother prior to and during early pregnancy. You will never see folic acid deficiency in a healthy vegan mother.

For the young child the Western diet causes:

1) The beginnings of atherosclerosis, known as fatty streak development. Children raised on cow's milk, meat, and other delicacies found on a typical B-12-sufficient Western diet show fatty streaks in their aorta beginning at 9 months of age and all children on this diet have this artery damage by age 3 years.(3) These streaks evolve into well-known heart attacks and stokes in adulthood.

2) Obesity and overweight affect at least 25% of children on the Western diet. Approximately 22 million children under 5 years of age are overweight across the world.4

If you have any doubts about the wisdom of a healthy vegan diet then look around your neighborhood. Children on B-12-sufficient diets with lots of ice cream, milk, hot dogs, egg muffins, and chicken nuggets are fat and sick. The obvious signs and symptoms are snotty noses, ear infections, stomach aches, and headaches. Get to know them better and you will find them constipated with bloody bowel movements. The pain and suffering inflicted on children by the American diet is so brutal that if it were administered with a stick, parents would be put in jail. Because the instruments of injury are a fork and spoon, everyone ignores the agony as if nothing was out of the ordinary, and nothing could be done to remedy the problems - you know so well that is not true.

For the Adult the Western diet causes:

In order to avoid a one-in-a-million risk of an anemia or neurological problem caused by a vegan diet alone, you risk a:

1 in 2 chance of dying prematurely of heart disease,
1 in 10 chance of breast or prostate cancer,
65% chance of being at least overweight
22% chance of being obese
almost certainty of arthritis, indigestion and/or constipation.
(I could go on for several pages)

What to do?

First, have faith that a low-fat vegan diet, based around unrefined starches, vegetables and fruits, is the healthiest diet for men, women and children (after the age of 2 years). From birth to 6 months babies should be exclusively breast-fed. After 6 months, solid foods in the form of starches, vegetables and fruits, are added in increasing amounts and breast milk is continued until at least 2 years of age. Failure to breast feed puts your child at a high risk of death and disease.1 Follow my recommendations for B-12 (above) by finding a reliable B-12 supplement in the natural foods store. If you have any question about your B-12 status you can have your blood checked for your body's B-12 levels. (Deficiency is a level less than 150 pmol/L).

You might ask, "Why would a diet so perfect in all other ways be deficient in a necessary vitamin?" Most likely the answer is that we live in an unnatural world these days. Remember, B-12 is made by bacteria. Our world is sterilized because of an irrational fear of germs. Once people consumed trillions of helpful B-12 producing-bacteria daily - they lived with their chickens, goats, and horses. Today everything is sanitized by hand-washing, antiseptics, antibiotics, mouth washes, and cleaning agents. To compensate, we must add back B-12, or possibly, live more naturally, like I do, with my B-12 producing dog, cat, and birds. I got this from "People Love to Hear Good News About Their Bad Habits!"
by John McDougall MD