So this is pretty terrifying... (1 Viewer)

[Scientician 0.8]

You're right, but the wider point is that it will eventually be cheaper and easier to download a gun, practically free in fact, and totally anonymous. I was in the Makerbot shop in Manhattan and it's aimed at kids.

Will it though? How are bespoke manufactured goods going to be cheaper than mass manufactured ones? They still require plant costs and raw materials, materials you have to buy without the economies of scale of a firm that specialises in creating arms. You can, in the US at least, buy guns anonymously, part of the problem with gun control/regulation is the already extant supply of unregulated firearms for criminals to use. There also has to be malicious intent. Type of prick who shoots someone with no good reason to, is this really going to make it easier for them to do it? Similarly I suspect governments will impel manufacturers of 3D printers, fabbing technologies to provide inbuilt safeguards, similar to how in the US at least you can't colour photocopy a banknote. There are amazing implications of these machines but I'm not sure this is a particularly good example of one.

 

[ann post]

Will it though? How are bespoke manufactured goods going to be cheaper than mass manufactured ones?

messing with this, i'm pretty sure a gun for about a tenner is on the cards right now

http://3dprintingpricecheck.com/

 

[Scientician 0.8]

So $8010 for a gun? What type of gun? Is it reliable? What's its range? The original Liberator that this printed gun is inspired by cost fuck all but I bet very few people are murdered by them.

 

[ann post]

Well the company i linked to will print 3d stuff for about a tenner. you don't need a printer, you just need access to one.

 

[Scientician 0.8]

Just say they print a gun for you, which is something I suspect they'd have issues doing, you still have to get it delivered so there'll be a paper trail, so even if say it is possible to buy a plastic gun for €10, it's not going to be an anonymous purchase.

 

[ann post]

i dont really get the point you are making.

once upon a time photocopiers were the reserve of mega companies, and in a few years they became norm. I have one, for example and i'm skint in western terms. are you saying that 3d printers won't follow the path of every other in-demand product ever??

 

[washingcattle]

I guess the other huge problem is that you can just walk through a metal detector without it going off.

And before you say it it is possible to make bullets out of paper, in fact the original gattling gun used them.

 

[pete]

still can't 3d print gunpowder

i hope

 

[pete]

i remember when it was all "soon, everyone might have their own CD burner ON THEIR DESK"

 

[washingcattle]

still can't 3d print gunpowder

i hope

Fairly sure if you're going to go through the bother of concealing a weapon from a metal detector you probably can get access to gun powder.

This thread is turing into scenes from In The Line Of Fire.

Bags being Clint

Who wants to be John Malkovic ?

 

[pete]

I don't think anyone's too worried about this occasionally-exploding plastic crap being used in an actual TERRRST attack, but as an anti-gun control political statement it's pretty effective.

 

[washingcattle]

I don't think anyone's too worried about this occasionally-exploding plastic crap being used in an actual TERRRST attack, but as an anti-gun control political statement it's pretty effective.

I'd be more scared of the type of people who invented it actually using it.

 

[pete]

I'd be more scared of the type of people who invented it actually using it.

they already have easy access to actual guns

 

[washingcattle]

they already have easy access to actual guns

But can't walk into a government building and start taking pot shots.

 

[Jerry Twig]

Just say they print a gun for you, which is something I suspect they'd have issues doing, you still have to get it delivered so there'll be a paper trail, so even if say it is possible to buy a plastic gun for €10, it's not going to be an anonymous purchase.

Sorry dude but you haven't really watched or read anything about this! They're using plastic now, but are researching newer carbon-fused materials. You just download the CAD design for constituent parts online and print. If you don't have a printer, as the video shows, you can just pop into your local hi-res geek and he'll it off for you. Fully legal, no need to register anything etc etc.

Watch the YouTube link I posted for starters....

 

[Scientician 0.8]

i dont really get the point you are making.

once upon a time photocopiers were the reserve of mega companies, and in a few years they became norm. I have one, for example and i'm skint in western terms. are you saying that 3d printers won't follow the path of every other in-demand product ever??

Well there's the rub. How many people posting in this thread have accessed a photocopier? Everyone? How many actually own a photocopier? Probably not that many, do you actually own an office model photocopier? We had one for the bookshops but it was shit and broke down constantly so we didn't used it after the first year of paying for more toner and servicing etc. I know most scanners/printers nowadays have an inefficient means of photocopying but the actual Xerox invented machines are still primarily a business/academic technology. There isn't one in every home.

Continuing with the photocopier analogy, what's cheaper typically, buying a novel or photocopying it? And this is with a simple primary medium that has existed for many years, paper. Now advance that up to guns or rocket launchers etc. Some guns are crude, many are sophisticated. American gun fans can buy sophisticated guns easier than they can print them as yet and for the near future. If you talk about these printers getting mad advanced grand, when they get to the level some people expect then welcome to magic land, all bets are off.

 

[washingcattle]

Well there's the rub. How many people posting in this thread have accessed a photocopier? Everyone? How many actually own a photocopier? Probably not that many, do you actually own an office model photocopier? We had one for the bookshops but it was shit and broke down constantly so we didn't used it after the first year of paying for more toner and servicing etc. I know most scanners/printers nowadays have an inefficient means of photocopying but the actual Xerox invented machines are still primarily a business/academic technology. There isn't one in every home.

Continuing with the photocopier analogy, what's cheaper typically, buying a novel or photocopying it? And this is with a simple primary medium that has existed for many years, paper. Now advance that up to guns or rocket launchers etc. Some guns are crude, many are sophisticated. American gun fans can buy sophisticated guns easier than they can print them as yet and for the near future. If you talk about these printers getting mad advanced grand, when they get to the level some people expect then welcome to magic land, all bets are off.

You can be the guy who doubts Clints theories.

Sorry dude but you haven't really watched or read anything about this! They're using plastic now, but are researching newer carbon-fused materials. You just download the CAD design for constituent parts online and print. If you don't have a printer, as the video shows, you can just pop into your local hi-res geek and he'll it off for you. Fully legal, no need to register anything etc etc.

Watch the YouTube link I posted for starters....

You are definitely John Malkovic.

Now all we need is Rene Russo.

 

[Scientician 0.8]

Sorry dude but you haven't really watched or read anything about this! They're using plastic now, but are researching newer carbon-fused materials. You just download the CAD design for constituent parts online and print. If you don't have a printer, as the video shows, you can just pop into your local hi-res geek and he'll it off for you. Fully legal, no need to register anything etc etc.

Watch the YouTube link I posted for starters....

You don't "just print" surely you have to have the constituent materials (whatever they may be, plastics carbon-fused etc.) and these cost money? No? I understand this is a technology in its infancy I just think that printing guns, especially in an American context, is a not very exciting implication. I'm not convinced that printing anything advanced will work out cheaper and handier than buying it. Again is it cheaper to buy a novel or print one out or photocopy it? And books are an ancient technology, with binding being the only moving part. Economies of scale seem to me to somewhat dull the radical potential these machines have, at least for the near future.

Those elements that wish to nefariously use guns, seem to have ready access to them in most countries. Almost everyone I know in America owns guns. Fair enough point about the plastic guns, but they're illegal in the US. If there's a spate of plastic gun massacres in supposedly secure areas I imagine US (and international) law and securities procedures will change to adapt to that. In less lax countries the firearms you've printed will likely be illegal, so if you're caught with one you can be charged like if you carry a traditionally manufactured gun (without the relevant paperwork). With the amount of lads gunned down in Dublin on a near weekly basis I'm not sure the element that feels the need to use guns has much trouble accessing them.

 

[Scientician 0.8]

You can be the guy who doubts Clints theories.



You are definitely John Malkovic.

Now all we need is Rene Russo.

No comprende.

 

[washingcattle]

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