[Sunday Business Post] Irish music industry hit by downloading (4 Viewers)

[Squiggle]

He scorned the idea that the demand for the internet came from innocent activity. "Kids won't pay $25 a month for broadband if they just want to share their photos, do their homework and email their friends."



what a fucking cunt

He's obviously never used MySpace. It's slow enough on broadband, I dread to think what it would be like on dial up.

 

[Mormon Nailer]

Some reaction to McGunness' brainfart here

 

[Pantone247]

He's obviously coming from the Lars Ulrich School Of Berating The Very Fans Who Pay For You Big Fat Fucking Mansions You Cunts

ireland.com: U2 firm paid five employees €18m in wages last year October 25, 2007 – 8:15 pm Five people employed by one of rock band U2’s companies shared almost €18 million in wages last year, the firm’s accounts show. Barry O’Halloran reports.

 

[Flux]

€3.5m each is not a lot.

Must have been roadies.

 

[Pantone247]

€3.5m each is not a lot.

Must have been roadies.

and that was just the salary they paid themselves, the 'firm' itself could, above and beyond that, turn a profit itself, invest in assets, relocate to Holland to dodge taxes, etc, etc...

 

[egg_]

€3.5m each is not a lot.

You jest, surely? It's 67 grand A WEEK

 

[Pantone247]

You jest, surely? It's 67 grand A WEEK

what are Stoat doing these days? 1.2 to 1.3 million?

and you haven't didn't even have an album out last year

 

[Pantone247]

Pantone247 pulled in $800,000 after taxes, but unfortunatly I gave it all to this guru I met in San Francsisco, to build a temple to the Indian mystical religion Ket Am Ennie, but it turned out he was just some junkie fuck...

 

[Denny Oubidoux]

last year i got about 6 or 7 lps and 10 (or so) cdrs in exchange for a few of my poxy cdrs!

 

[Flux]

You jest, surely? It's 67 grand A WEEK

Of course it's a ridiculous amount of money to the likes of us...but it's less than John O'Shea earns for a place on the bench at Man Utd. U2 were selling out Croker and God knows how many other stadiums around the world.

80,000 people paying €80 = €6.4m for one night. They probably took home over a half a million each that night.

They're earning a lot more than they're letting on. I take Pantone's point.

 

[Mormon Nailer]

€3.5m each is not a lot.

Must have been roadies.

That just how much they would have been voted by the company - probably to avoid a close company surcharge or some such tax planning thing.

That wouldnt even be close to their full income, wich would be spread all over the place.

 

[MDR]

He's called Bono after bonovox hearing aids, but their sign spells is Bonavox, so he should be called Bona. That's alls I'm saying.

 

[Flux]

He's called Bono after bonovox hearing aids, but their sign spells is Bonavox, so he should be called Bona. That's alls I'm saying.

You're after articulating something that has lurked in my subconscious for a long, long time.

 

[pete]

Mr McGuinness says the music industry should invite internet providers to become partners and build a model with content owners, so tracks can be properly paid for.

But the Internet Service Providers Association of Ireland says it is impossible for members to identify content that is transferred.

General Manager Paul Durrant says monitoring of internet usage is in breach of the every privacy, telecommunication and data protection law that exists. He says calls for this level of monitoring is akin to asking ISPs to spy on everything that is happening on the internet in an attempt to pick out when an illegal download is happening.



Mr Durrant describes such calls as draconian and over the top.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0130/downloads.html

 

[Pantone247]

here Pete if the ISPs did ever get "into bed" with the record industry, to police illegal downloads, surely they'd just be setting themselves up to take the blame if music downloading didn't stop immedietly or if record sales don't go up by 10% - 18% overnight?

And if that's the case isn't it just completely insane of people like McGuinness to keep making these calls?

 

[pete]

here Pete if the ISPs did ever get "into bed" with the record industry, to police illegal downloads,

Thing is, this is pretty hard to do. It's one thing to identify P2P traffic, it's another entirely to identify what that traffic is. You're going beyond network traffic analysis getting into NSA / Echelon / tin foil hat level stuff.

And if that's the case isn't it just completely insane of people like McGuinness to keep making these calls?

Pretty much, yes.

 

[Mormon Nailer]

Trouble at The Pirate Bay today.

http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/006413.html

 

[Lili Marlene]

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...apidshare-in-copyright-infringement-case.html

rapidshare alzo

 

[RED(tape)MENACE]

On Monday, January 28, the Copyright Royalty Board (CRB) begins the hearing that will determine mechanical rates for every songwriter and music publisher in America. It will be the most important rate hearing in the history of the music industry because in addition to setting rates for physical products, rates will be set for the first time ever for digital products such as digital downloads, subscription services and ringtones.

The National Music Publishers' Association (NMPA) will be representing the interests of songwriters and music publishers and will be fighting vigorously to protect those interests to ensure that musical compositions are compensated fairly.

On the other side of this fight stands the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) and the Digital Music Association (DiMA). Both the RIAA and DiMA have proposed significant reductions in mechanical royalty rates that would be disastrous for songwriters and music publishers. This is literally a fight for the survival of our industry.

To give you an example of what is at stake, the current rate for physical phonorecords is 9.1 cents. The NMPA is proposing an increase to 12.5 cents per song. The RIAA, however, has proposed slashing the rate to approximately 6 cents a song - a cut of more than one-third the current rate!

For permanent digital downloads, NMPA is proposing a rate of 15 cents per track because the costs involved are much less than for physical products. The RIAA has proposed the outrageous rate of approximately
5 - 5.5 cents per track, and DiMA is proposing even less.

If you find that troubling, it gets worse. For interactive streaming services, which some analysts believe will be the future of the music industry, NMPA is proposing a rate of the greater of 12.5% of revenue, 27.5% of content costs, or a micro-penny calculation based on usage. The RIAA actually proposed that songwriters and music publishers should get the equivalent of .58% of revenue. This isn't a typo - less than 1%. And DiMA is taking the shocking and offensive position that songwriters' and music publishers' mechanical rights should be zero, because DiMA does not believe we have any such rights!

The initial hearing will last four weeks, with the three permanent Copyright Royalty Judges hearing arguments Mondays through Thursdays from 9:30 am - 4:30 pm each day. At the conclusion of the initial hearing, there will be more discovery, followed by a rebuttal hearing in May, and a final decision expected on October 2.

The NMPA will be spending millions dollars in this proceeding to protect the interests of songwriters and music publishers against the much larger record labels and digital media companies. And although we face such an enormous fight, we have an incredible advantage - we represent songwriters, without whom the record labels and digital music services could not exist.

Please forward this to anyone who is involved in the songwriting and music publishing industry. We will be sending out regular updates as the CRB progresses to keep you informed. Through your networks, we hope to reach the vast majority of the industry. If you did not receive this directly, and would like to be added to the master NMPA communications list, please send your contact information to Jamie Marotta at [email protected].

As always, we appreciate your support of the NMPA which allows us to wage this fight on your behalf.


David M. Israelite
President & CEO
National Music Publishers' Association
http://nmpa.org/home/index.asp

Here's how the future looks for the songwriters some of you "aren't hurting" by digital downloading.

 

[theoootini]

Here's how the future looks for the songwriters some of you "aren't hurting" by digital downloading.

Err, surely this is more about the RIAA grabbing for as much as it can get rather than downloading affecting content producers?