riot porn from greece (1 Viewer)

[subbuteo !]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20081208/twl-greek-police-braced-for-more-rioting-41f21e0.html

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/12/200812843354951737.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7770189.stm

http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=en&article_id=933218

 

[Vin]

International Solidarity:

London:

Monday 8th Dec
Meet 9:30am at Speakers Corner in Hyde Park and march to the Headquarters of Olympic Airways and the Greek Ministry of Tourism in central London.

Edinburgh:

Monday 8th Dec
Meet 1pm outside the Greek Consulate, 12 Queen's Crescent, Edinburgh, EH9

 

[Vin]

The 15 year old shot dead by police in Athens on Saturday December 6 has been named in reports as being Andreas Grigoropoulos. In response to the teenager’s murder, thousands of people, mostly young, have rioted in Athens, Thessaolinki, Patras and other cities, torching banks, cars and shops, and fighting with police.

 

[VARUKA]

i got some real riot porn if anyone wants it

 

[skubol]

heard about this from the greek fella that stay in dublin for the last fev days. mad shit!!

 

[Vin]

Greek Embassies in Berlin and London have been occupied.


http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3857434,00.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/12/ ... sulate.php

- Berlin

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/12/414577.html
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK...Stormed-By-Protesters/Article/200812215174658

- London

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

love the media calling the rioters "self styled anarchists" what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

 

[Shorty]

Title of the thread makes it look like another clash with the cops in Greece, but this is different, much larger and with a lot of other things happening in terms of struggle at the same time and preceding it in Greece.

Obviously anarchists and autonomes are at the forefront of this but there's stuff happening all over the country, even in places without much of an anarchist presence. This has been a spark for a more widespread social anger and can be seen by the amount of people taking part. One report of a granny shouting Cops! Pigs! Murderers! at a line of riot police.

Even before this there's been in the last while; nurses strikes, government ministries occupied, universities and secondary schools being occupied, other riots against police brutality (including police attacks on immigrants), thousands of prisoners on strike in most prisons looking for reform and there was already a call for a general strike on wednesday. All this in the context of an economic crisis.

http://libcom.org/tags/greece


For non anarchist reports of what's going on, there's a blog by an english teacher living in Thessaloniki covering the events: http://teacherdudebbq.blogspot.com/

on saturday night, Alexis and his friends were near a cafe in exarhia. A police car passes by, there some verbal brawl between the cops and the youth (20 or so of them). the cop car goes forward. some minutes later, the 2 cops return on foot in the scene. there's some verbal brawl between the teenagers and the cops. one of the two pulls out his gun, aims, and shoots the teenager on the chest, from some 50ft distance. this has been confirmed by various people on the spot.

The funeral takes place tomorrow.

The rioting and protests will continue for the next few days but even when a similar event happened in '85 there was retribution attacks for years to come.

Bati! Gurunyi! Dolafunyi!

 

[Space]

love the media calling the rioters "self styled anarchists" what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

They didn't read the crimethinc riot fashion special?

 

[Corm]

My advice would be to stay alert, as they're coming out the van. They probably want to nick you and throw you in the can.

 

[PiperX]

It's shocking that that young fellow was killed. It goes without saying that those involved should be arrested and brought to justice, and safeguards put in place to insure that it never happens again.

But why the need to riot and put other peoples lives and livelihoods at risk?? Call me old fashioned, but surely two wrongs don't make a right.

I often wonder what the 'Establishment' / Governments think of direct action and social unrest in general. Are they secretly glad when it happens, as it ultimately gets them off the hook by being able to say that all of those involved are mindless thugs, and therefore things like this can be more easily brushed under the carpet.

Surely peaceful protest carries a fair greater and effective punch. Also a team of lawyers and investigators on the side of the protestors (along the lines of Amnesty International) would achieve a lot more than someone throwing stones at a shop window?

Am I being naive?
Am I just lucky to live in a country where there are other outlets to rioting on the street for my (and other peoples) rights. I know feck all about Greece either, but I can't imagine that their system is hughly different to ours?

(Heavy post I know, but I just don't get the whole rioting/violence thing)

 

[subbuteo !]

Title of the thread makes it look like another clash with the cops in Greece,

ah now do you want an eassy in the title

Quote:
on saturday night, Alexis and his friends were near a cafe in exarhia. A police car passes by, there some verbal brawl between the cops and the youth (20 or so of them). the cop car goes forward. some minutes later, the 2 cops return on foot in the scene. there's some verbal brawl between the teenagers and the cops. one of the two pulls out his gun, aims, and shoots the teenager on the chest, from some 50ft distance. this has been confirmed by various people on the spot.

im not in any way saying this isn't what happened....i just think its funny ive read three accounts which were "confrimed by eye wittnesses" which were all different.not suprised really.

what ever way it went down its pig shot kid!

 

[ci]

Solidarity Protest-

http://www.thumped.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=1145008#post1145008

 

[Shorty]

ah now do you want an eassy in the title

im not in any way saying this isn't what happened....i just think its funny ive read three accounts which were "confrimed by eye wittnesses" which were all different.not suprised really.

what ever way it went down its pig shot kid!

Yeah, there's also some very bad footage of it, but I couldn't see a thing. Though it contradicts the large group of people attacking the police car story. Apparently the mainstream press in Greece were initially reporting the police/state line but are gradually coming round and saying it was cold blooded murder.

Sky news headline of london embassy occupation is "Flag Burning Gang Storm Embassy" haha ffs
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK...58_London_Greek_Embassy_Stormed_By_Protesters

 

[Corm]

Piper X...I see where you're coming from and you've maybe got a point, but in my experience peaceful protest achieves nothing more than being a pressure valve on discontent. Rioting often can achieve serious results, as for instance with the Ungdomshuset case.

 

[Vin]

In Solidarity and Grief - Picket at the Greek Embassy. Tomorrow!

Tuesday 9th December 2008

Meet at 5pm at the top of Grafton Street. March to the Greek Embassy on Upper Pembroke Street.

In memory of Alexandros Grigoropoulos, a 15 year old who was shot and killed by police in Athens on Saturday night. His death has provoked large scale protests, occupations and strikes all over Greece. A call has been made for International Solidarity. There have already been Greek Embassy pickets in London and Berlin.

Please spread the word through bebo, facebook, myspace, blog, text and email.

 

[Shorty]

I often wonder what the 'Establishment' / Governments think of direct action and social unrest in general. Are they secretly glad when it happens, as it ultimately gets them off the hook by being able to say that all of those involved are mindless thugs, and therefore things like this can be more easily brushed under the carpet.

I'm pretty sure they don't like it, hence they wouldn't be using the riot police for one. This also ignores numerous current and historical examples of direct action succeeding and also state clamp down on it when it would appear to be either becoming more effective or even revolutionary.

Do you think the cops in Rossport where just throwing people into ditches and beating people up because the blockading was ineffective? Even the news reporting of the time by RTE was sickening, with reporters asking people being thrown around by cops why they were being violent. The government drafting in so many police to such a small locale and having such horrrendous news reporting was for the very reason that the campaign there was impeding plans and construction and thus proving bad for both the government and Shell.

Cops love compliant and peaceful protest, but look what happens at something like the dublin riot when they're no longer dealing with "non-violent" activists and hippies.

How easily governments can use these events to their own advantage depends on the existence/non-existence and strength/weakness of social movements, political groups, ideas, etc. in those countries.

Surely peaceful protest carries a fair greater and effective punch. Also a team of lawyers and investigators on the side of the protestors (along the lines of Amnesty International) would achieve a lot more than someone throwing stones at a shop window?

Am I being naive?
Am I just lucky to live in a country where there are other outlets to rioting on the street for my (and other peoples) rights. I know feck all about Greece either, but I can't imagine that their system is hughly different to ours?

Well, put it this way, how many Gardai have been arrested and charged for the deaths of Terrence Wheelock, John Maloney or Brian Rossiter?

I'd agree that they're outlets (vents), just not very effective ones. Not that rioting necessarily is either.

How accountable are the gardaí to the Irish people?
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/85514

Greece is obviously relatively similar in that its another EU member, but there's loads of other social, political and historical factors not least of which is its past military junta and dictatorship.

 

[the strange guy]

Burning down the clothes shops was a stroke of genius.

FUCK THE FASHION
DEAD KIDS = NO CLOTHES FOR THE BOURGEOISE
PIGS GO NAKED 4EVA

 

[piratecore]

i really dont think there is any point in trying to get justice for police murders through legal channels. look at the frankly farcical ombudsman fiasco up here. most of them are still working.

fuck the cops

 

[D0njo]

Burning down the clothes shops was a stroke of genius.

FUCK THE FASHION
DEAD KIDS = NO CLOTHES FOR THE BOURGEOISE
PIGS GO NAKED 4EVA

YOU JUST DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING AT ALL DON'T YOU?