POPPY DAY (1 Viewer)

[ANTIQUE RICED]

THERE THEY GO ITS POPPY DAY/
POLISHED MEDALS ON DISPLAY/
MEMORIES BEST FORGOT/
DISMEMBERED BODIES SLOWLY ROT/
RAT EATS HUMAN-IN THE TRENCH/
DECAYING FLESH-A SICKLY STENCH/
IT"S NO USE KNEELING DOWN IN PRAYER/
NO-ONE LISTENS-NO-ONE CARES/
OBEYING ORDERS YOUR A PAWN/
NEVER QUESTION NO-ONE DARES/
THE RULING CLASSES ARE ALLRIGHT/
POLITICIANS NEVER FIGHT/
THEY USE OUR MONEY AND OUR HEADS/
WE DIE IN PAIN THEY DIE IN BED/
THE AGEING HERO ON T.V/
DESCRIBING SCENES THAT SICKEN ME/
THEY SAY HOW BAD THE NAZIS WERE/
WE"RE JUST AS BAD-HIROSHIMA/
SO THERE THAY GO ITS POPPY DAY/
POLISHED MEDALS ON DISPLAY/
PATHETIC LUMPS OF CRIPPLED MEAT/
THEY STILL HEAR BOMBS/
WHEN THEY"RE ASLEEP
DISORDER 1982

 

[Janer]

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[CITY BABY]

this has being driving me fuckin mad this year, pure and utter poppy fuckin fascism, even fuckin celtic had poppys on their fuckin jerseys on sunday, aload of fuckin bollix, the british legion have made it quite clear this year where the money goes to cunts and their cunting families occuping this fuckin country , afganastan and iraq. fuck em and the fuckin horse they road the fuck in on.

just for the record I have no problem with people remember the people who died in the two world wars but thats not who you supporting why you buy a fuckin poppy.

And what the fuck Michael ballack wearing one on sunday,politics aside, lets remember the people who spent the bones of ten years killin my people


remember this ye cunts

 

[Janer]

Thread has potential now.

 

[Cormcolash]

Poppy Day is fucking sickening. Dickheads want you to remember an exercise in calamity as if it's something to be proud of. It's one of the few occasions where I get to say "Fucking Brits" and actually mean it.
Poppy Day is about World War I, not World War II, which itself was a direct result of the outcome of the first World War.
World War I was nothing more than the most sickening example of thoughtless patriotism the world has ever seen. It was a war over nothing. The people in charge of all the armies that took part should all be tried for war crimes. It's not something to be proud of. "Oh great, we defeated Germany in a senseless war and then held their entire country to ransom so that when the economy eventually collapsed Hitler was able to walk right into power"
The only soldiers worth remembering are the ones that were pressed into service and had no choice (like a lot of Irish) and then invariably suffered abuse from their so-called comrades who had joined up for the fatherland. The ones who went willingly to fight the glorious war were too stupid or too scared to be conscientious objectors. And all the cunts at staff HQ should have been done for war crimes, as well as the cunts that supplied the chemical weapons.
At least in Ireland we have a legitimate reason to remember alot of the Irish soldiers that ended up in that war. But this fucking Poppy bullshit that has just become a symbol of Britain more than a tribute to dead soldiers? Fuck that.
I'd rather watch Blackadder Goes Forth all day long.

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

id agree with the general tone of your post cormcolash,but having a go at everyone who freely signed up is a bit much,lets not forget that these people had fuck all else going for them at home and were deceived by the politicans of the time into fighting a stupid and brutal war.
all wars are in essence pointless and futile,its just the powerful sacrificing the common man for a bit of posturing and ego stroking.

 

[AnarchoBob]

Well, that is just a romanticised idea the ones of loads of people signing up because they were too poor and at least in the army they had food. The hard reality is more or less what Cormac expressed: a very large and overwhelming number of people who signed up signed up purely for patriotic and even nationalist reasons. It's shit and hard to accept but it's the truth.
People may have very well been deceived by the politicians about why they were going to war and all other sort of shit, but that does not take away the fact that there was a genuine nationalist sentiment amongst the people.

I mean, if it wasn't that how do you explain the fact that in the first couple of years of the war (or at least before conscription was wheeled in) a very large part of the people who singed up where young students? Or how do you then explain the fact that nazi-fascist parties and militias across Europe where mainly formed, in their early days, by World War I veterans which where usually the most rabidly nationalistic people in those parties?

 

[Anarcho Munk]

Well, that is just a romanticised idea the ones of loads of people signing up because they were too poor and at least in the army they had food. The hard reality is more or less what Cormac expressed: a very large and overwhelming number of people who signed up signed up purely for patriotic and even nationalist reasons. It's shit and hard to accept but it's the truth.
People may have very well been deceived by the politicians about why they were going to war and all other sort of shit, but that does not take away the fact that there was a genuine nationalist sentiment amongst the people.

Simply condemning the war for people being nationalistic
and patriotic is sort of obscuring the argument of some apparent reality.
I'd argue that most people are a product of the times and society that produced them.
What I mean by this is that you have to pay attention
to the power structures and media that was ingrained
in their society at the time and how this operated to affect a general consensus or impression amongst an entire population.

The affect of this becomes apparent when a mix of omni-present propaganda, elite imperial interests and a
seemingly valid moral reason for all people to stand up to "defend the freedom of other small nations" and to "fight in France and Belgium for a Europe free from oppression" comes into focus.

You have to base your argument on why a patriotic and nationalistic sentiment came to be.

I mean, if it wasn't that how do you explain the fact that in the first couple of years of the war (or at least before conscription was wheeled in) a very large part of the people who singed up where young students? Or how do you then explain the fact that nazi-fascist parties and militias across Europe where mainly formed, in their early days, by World War I veterans which where usually the most rabidly nationalistic people in those parties?

What do young people and students have to do with anything?
Isn't that the traditional base where most armies recruit from in order to make sure they keep functioning?
Armies today offer free education for a certain amount of years served in the army,
does that mean that students in the army are
overly zealous hard line nationalists?
Compare that to WW1 where the oppurtunity to travel abroad,
leaving their hopelessly monotonous lives behind them,
was a sufficient enough reason to enlist.


Would like to hear more about those fascist parties and militias formed after WW1 though, sounds interesting and don't know much about it.
The outcome shouldn't be a surprise though when you pit
70 million people with different ethnic
and cultural backgrounds against each other in an imperialist war.


The bottom line is that people don't willingly go to get massacred
unless they either happen to be completly ignorant of the outcome,
or it happens that a VERY large golden carrot (real or not) is hanging in front of their eyes.

 

[Anarcho Munk]

id agree with the general tone of your post cormcolash,but having a go at everyone who freely signed up is a bit much,lets not forget that these people had fuck all else going for them at home and were deceived by the politicans of the time into fighting a stupid and brutal war.

True.

It's also worth taking into account the hugely important role Home Rule had to play in Irish people joining the war.

 

[D0njo]

What do students have to do with anything?
Isn't that the traditional base where most armies recruit from in order to make sure they keep functioning?

You can't dismiss a point someone else is using and then use it yourself, it's just silly

There's no way I'd trust a bunch of student wankers with the defence of my country or democracy or whatever


This is you, this is (and some of your student pals)-

 

[damone]

Well, that is just a romanticised idea the ones of loads of people signing up because they were too poor and at least in the army they had food. The hard reality is more or less what Cormac expressed: a very large and overwhelming number of people who signed up signed up purely for patriotic and even nationalist reasons. It's shit and hard to accept but it's the truth.
People may have very well been deceived by the politicians about why they were going to war and all other sort of shit, but that does not take away the fact that there was a genuine nationalist sentiment amongst the people.

I mean, if it wasn't that how do you explain the fact that in the first couple of years of the war (or at least before conscription was wheeled in) a very large part of the people who singed up where young students? Or how do you then explain the fact that nazi-fascist parties and militias across Europe where mainly formed, in their early days, by World War I veterans which where usually the most rabidly nationalistic people in those parties?

" a large and overwhelming number of people signed up for patriotic
reasons "how do you know this??????which countries are you talking about across europe where these nazi-facist partie s were ,the countries that lost out in WW1 by any chance!

 

[Anarcho Munk]

You can't dismiss a point someone else is using and then use it yourself, it's just silly

There's no way I'd trust a bunch of student wankers with the defence of my country or democracy or whatever


This is you, this is (and some of your student pals)-

 

[dregin]

From the good old school days:
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulce_et_Decorum_Est[/ame]

 

[Lepra]

look, it was always the anarchists fault alright? at least we got some good poetry from Blaise Cendrars out of it

so be gratful ye wee shites. and wear a white poppy.

 

[Scientician 0.8]

Next year I've decided to wear an Easter Lily at Easter and a poppy for a couple of days around Nov 11th. I think it is an adequate compromise for an Irish person.

The thing I least like about the wearing of the poppy is that it has become so de rigeur on British television that to NOT wear one becomes a bigger statement. It is odd that has become all but obligatory.

 

[Scientician 0.8]

PS, this is one of the greatest comics ever as Johnnystress will possible agree:

 

[AnarchoBob]

Simply condemning the war for people being nationalistic
and patriotic is sort of obscuring the argument of some apparent reality.
I'd argue that most people are a product of the times and society that produced them.
What I mean by this is that you have to pay attention
to the power structures and media that was ingrained
in their society at the time and how this operated to affect a general consensus or impression amongst an entire population.

The affect of this becomes apparent when a mix of omni-present propaganda, elite imperial interests and a
seemingly valid moral reason for all people to stand up to "defend the freedom of other small nations" and to "fight in France and Belgium for a Europe free from oppression" comes into focus.

You have to base your argument on why a patriotic and nationalistic sentiment came to be.

The why the patriotic and natonalist sentiment came to be is largely irrelevant given that there was a nationalistic sentiment at the outbrake of the war and it was based on that nationalistic sentiment that many people enlisted in the various armies of Europe.

What do young people and students have to do with anything?
Isn't that the traditional base where most armies recruit from in order to make sure they keep functioning?
Armies today offer free education for a certain amount of years served in the army,
does that mean that students in the army are
overly zealous hard line nationalists?
Compare that to WW1 where the oppurtunity to travel abroad,
leaving their hopelessly monotonous lives behind them,
was a sufficient enough reason to enlist.

No, it's just a point I made to show that it wasn't at all a bunch of poor people with no other better option than joining the army. They were students with all the chances and possibilities second level and third level education students had at the start of the 20th century. They had a lot to lose from the war and obviously a lot to gain, so it is a bit silly to use the usual apologetic cliché that a lot of peopl who enlist in the army do so because they have no better option.

Would like to hear more about those fascist parties and militias formed after WW1 though, sounds interesting and don't know much about it.
The outcome shouldn't be a surprise though when you pit
70 million people with different ethnic
and cultural backgrounds against each other in an imperialist war.

Well, the basic idea is that politicians like Mussolini in Italy and Hitler in Germany (but also in other Eastern European countries) worked up the discontent amongst war veterans, who felt let down for one reason or another, for their advantage using the nationalistic and patriotic card. Indeed the core of what would then become the National Socialist Party and the Fascist Party militant wing came from these war veterans.

" a large and overwhelming number of people signed up for patriotic
reasons "how do you know this??????which countries are you talking about across europe where these nazi-facist partie s were ,the countries that lost out in WW1 by any chance!

Not only.
Italy was one of the countries which won the war but fell at the hands of fascism because of discontent of the failed promises of the Allied countries. Or there is the examples of a few Eastern European countries which had fought to a certain extent for independence but got sort of fucked over along the line and turned very rabidly nationalistic and to the right (Poland being a very good example).
As for how I know it, it's mainly because for the first year or so of the war the armies had a surge of people enlisting volountarily rather than getting people through conscription as for the latter days. Plus there is the fact that as mentioned by AMunk, there was a quite strong patriotic and nationalistic propaganda and sentiment all across Europe at the turn of the 20th century.

 

[therealjohnny]

PS, this is one of the greatest comics ever as Johnnystress will possible agree:

Oh yes indeed

 

[robitusson]

Used to love that as a kid.

Re the topic: Poppie day for the troops fighting in Afghanistan?

Afghanistan? Poppies? Anyone else see the irony?

 

[Janer]

I would if I wasn't goofing off...