US Presidental Election 2012 (1 Viewer)

[Goodbye]

Nobody likes a smartarse

 

[Mormon Nailer]

I've been thinking a lit about the HPV exchange of the last couple of days.
Something about it really struck me as odd. There have been lots of posts back and forth on the interwebs about how the real subtext is that as it's a STD they are vaccinating against the Christian right are automatically against it - possibly true, but not what perplexes me. What really confused me is the issue of "choice".

In a normal world the appropriate response from Perry would have been as follows:

"I mandated the vaccine in order to save lives, cancer bad etc.
I was aware of the concerns of a small minority of people and allowed them the CHOICE to opt out if they so wished
However this is a serious matter, a growing health crisis and I did not want laziness or hysteria to cost young women their lives through cancer
Therefore I opted to offer this CHOICE in terms of a opt out rather than an opt in
I believe I did the right thing, I stand by it, as do responsible parents and health officials"

He is supposed to be a prickly debater - why was this not his first instinct, why was this course of action impossible.

Because "Mandate" is some sort of magic word.

It's like "Tsar" or "Socialism". All of conservative thought in the US now takes place at a remove from reality and these tokens are passed around and discussed endlessly on talk radio. They are the lens through which all reality is viewed and adjudicated upon. A solution to a problem, even if it's the right one, can be dismissed out of hand if someone somewhere says "you are just creating another Tsar". It's like a playground game. "Mandate, Mandate, Mandate, no takebacks"!

 

[pete]

just got this from CNN

The Republican Party is split down the middle between tea party supporters and those who don't support the movement, a new CNN/ORC International poll suggests.

Forty-nine percent of Republicans and independents who lean Republican say they support the tea party movement or are active members; 51% say that they have no feelings one way or another about the movement or that they oppose it.

Demographically, tea party Republicans are more likely to be male, older and college-educated; non-tea party Republicans are younger, less-educated, women and less likely to say they are born-again Christians or evangelicals.

On many issues, the two wings of the GOP are in accord, but they aren't in agreement on issues such as the deficit, global warming, evolution, abortion, same-sex marriage, the Federal Reserve, the Department of Education or Social Security.

oh is that all?

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

Good man Rick

Someone reassure me he's not gonna be the white house's next resident.

 

[MilanPan!c]

Good man Rick

Someone reassure me he's not gonna be the white house's next resident.

90% chance he won't...

 

[Mormon Nailer]

90% chance he won't...

He'll flame out along the way. He's dumb and too erratic to beat Obama if he gets the nomination.
His Texas swagger may play well to the Tea Party types who have hijacked the Republican party but the country is bigger than a handful of red states.
His "social security is a ponzi scheme" mantra may actually have a grain of truth in it but is going to alienate him from a lot of voters.

Obama seems to finally have come out swinging on taxes
Whether this will actually succeed in positioning the republicans as friend of the fat cat
or
Just convince independents that rhetoric about Obama waging "class war" is actually correct
I don't know!

 

[MilanPan!c]

Honestly, 99/100 he wouldn't, so that's where I'd put my money... this year... it's not a normal year at all... but I'd certainly wager that Obama will win.

 

[Mormon Nailer]

My wory is that when people are polled on what they want - they want the things Obama is pushing for
When they are polled on whetehr they approve of Obama - they disapprove
When you ask how they will vote - it's pretty close.

It'll be a squeaker.

 

[MilanPan!c]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011...re-gop-candidates-talk-more-out-touch-appear/

President Obama should sleep well tonight. The more the Republican presidential candidates open their mouths at Thursday night's GOP presidential debate in Orlando, the more clear it is how out of touch they are with mainstream American voters. Tonight, there was no clear winner in the debate. The loser? Common sense and common decency.

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yes, that's from Fox News...
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[pete]

Sally Kohn probably isn't really representative of the Fox News viewers though. http://movementvision.org/media/

 

[pete]

from cnn:

Texas Gov. Rick Perry's presidential campaign was dealt a worrying blow Saturday when he finished a distant second to businessman Herman Cain in a closely watched straw poll in Florida.

Cain won 37% of the 2,657 votes cast in the straw poll conducted at Presidency 5, a three-day convention sponsored by the Republican Party of Florida. Perry got just 410 votes, or 15.4%. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney finished third with 14%.

Perry was expected to win the straw poll as the weekend began, but his underwhelming performance at a GOP debate on Thursday night raised questions about his readiness for prime time.

 

[MilanPan!c]

As I have repeateedly said (in other places) the GOP will lose in 2012 not on the strength of Obama (who's pretty unpopular), but on the weakness and lunacy of his opponents.

Add to that the structural edge O has as a sitting POTUS and I'm not sure how close it'll end up being, on the day, no matter what polls say..

 

[MilanPan!c]

Sally Kohn probably isn't really representative of the Fox News viewers though. http://movementvision.org/media/

Totes agree, but when Fox is letting that view point come out (it was on the main page of their election subsite) it shows just how fractured the GOP is...

answer: very.

This could be their John Kerry year.

 

[Mormon Nailer]

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Jesus Christ.

I know it's funny and all.....but what if one of these idiots ends up in charge!

 

[Unicron]

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Jesus Christ.

I know it's funny and all.....but what if one of these idiots ends up in charge!

I know him blanking is what has got people talking but isn't the bigger absurdity that he wants to abolish the department of education (presumably it's a state's rights issue that would enable the south to teach evolution in science class.)

 

[Mormon Nailer]

I know him blanking is what has got people talking but isn't the bigger absurdity that he wants to abolish the department of education (presumably it's a state's rights issue that would enable the south to teach evolution in science class.)

Yeah it's bizarre all right. Education, commerce and energy. It's hard for a European to get his or her mind around the depth of crazy in the GOP these days.

 

[egg_]

He didn't blank, he just couldn't remember what he had been told The People want to hear

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

This is Romney's nomination now.
Despite the GOP base desperately wanting someone other than Mitt, they haven't come up with someone that passes the laugh test.
I'm no expert but I would say Romney is bad news for Obama.
He'll draw all the GOP voters anyway, and those that voted for Obama last time but are fed up with the stagnant economy might think 'How bad can this Mitt guy be?'
Whatever his faults, he appears presidential.

But it's a year away, so who the fuck knows anything really?

 

[therealjohnny]

http://hiphopandpolitics.com/2011/11/10/is-mike-tyson-the-new-tina-fey-he-goes-in-on-herman-cain/

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[pete]

http://nymag.com/news/politics/conservatives-david-frum-2011-11/