sleepy
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I want to hear more about @flashback's bike shop ghost
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hardings on bacehlor's walk?I saw a ghost in the bike shop I worked in. I mentioned it to the lads and everyone else just went "oh yeah, that's the ghost, it's fine".
I want to hear more about @flashback's bike shop ghost
check out the memory on @magicbastarder - jaysus, did I mention that before? But yeah. The very place.hardings on bacehlor's walk?
wasn't you. i'd heard from at least one other person (a friend who used to be in the fingal ravens) about that.
to be fair, he also wrote a book about ghosts, so if there was anyone who'd know about a haunted bike shop, it's dave.
And yet you refuse to accept the moral authority of Centrist Dad, you damn upstartI learn a lot by saying the stupidest things and being corrected on here.
Not attempting to play it down but this is literally how medical science worked at the time. No one, regardless of background, throughout the world, was asked permission to keep their unwanted cancer cells.They didn't get her permission, they didn't get her families permission, they never told any of them what was going to happen and they didn't tell them after it happened either.
It was theft it what it was. Theft of parts of an actual person. If they actually spent 20 seconds weighing up the ethics at the time and asked for permission it's likely the family would have given it because what difference would it have made? None. But they didn't get permission did they? They didn't ask. It's not ok and trying to play it down makes it worse, not better.
much more tightly regulated today.They didn't need to. I don't think they need to today either.
You sign away that right, legally, assuming you ever had it in the first place.
I'm not playing it down, or intending to. But... I guess.. I mean, yeah, it's unethical, we are unethical. Loads of things are unethical, and there has to be a scale built. I'd rate keeping a pig in a box, and ~torturing it until death way more unethical than keeping a cell line derived from a tumour cut out of me alive to do science on.
That's how they test, that's what they are doing when they take the biopsy, you are asking them to culture your cells. If they stop a week from now, or 100 years from now probably changes things, but on the grand scheme of things it's not evil I'd say.
Not attempting to play it down but this is literally how medical science worked at the time. No one, regardless of background, throughout the world, was asked permission to keep their unwanted cancer cells.
And people were questioning practice and ethics in medicine but cancer cells were far from people’s minds because it was still the era of things like forced sterilisation, lobotomies, drug trials on unsuspecting members of the populace, electric shock treatment, etc. I’m not saying it was right or that people shouldn’t care but the ethical landscape was a far different place than it is now. Like, Josef Mengele was just setting up a new life in Argentina when Henrietta Lacks developed her cancer. Taking cells that someone actively wants out of their body* and culturing them in a dish kind of pales in comparison.
*Are cancer cells actually your tissue in the same sense as a skin cell or a blood cell? Or are they something separate and other like a parasite?
Just joshing, @flashbackBack to elections, paedophile rings, inaugurations and Jamiroquoi bombing the Capitol, hugging pricks.
pretty much.goddammit. Are you saying that I just said "ghost bike shop" and you went, "ohhh yeah, the one in Hardings bike shop?"
All you dumb scientists have to do is say sorry but every one of you is incapable of it.Not attempting to play it down but this is literally how medical science worked at the time. No one, regardless of background, throughout the world, was asked permission to keep their unwanted cancer cells.
And people were questioning practice and ethics in medicine but cancer cells were far from people’s minds because it was still the era of things like forced sterilisation, lobotomies, drug trials on unsuspecting members of the populace, electric shock treatment, etc. I’m not saying it was right or that people shouldn’t care but the ethical landscape was a far different place than it is now. Like, Josef Mengele was just setting up a new life in Argentina when Henrietta Lacks developed her cancer. Taking cells that someone actively wants out of their body* and culturing them in a dish kind of pales in comparison.
*Are cancer cells actually your tissue in the same sense as a skin cell or a blood cell? Or are they something separate and other like a parasite?
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