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Message: [QUOTE="nuke terrorist, post: 1811261, member: 3269"] Until the pandemic began, I knew almost nothing about this existing but the debate on the surrogacy issue in Ireland is so extremely one sided and is out of kilter with the situation in European countries outside the former USSR. I have always fully supported the rights of Gay, Lesbian, Trans, single people, the unmarried etc. to adopt children. Abortion rights are a fundamental human right which should never be under question. The Irish media especially RTE need to stop reporting on surrogacy or have a proper debate on the issue. In Ireland surrogacy is unregulated. In most EU / European countries as stated above, surrogacy is illegal (Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Serbia , Austria, Suisse, Norway, Finland, Turkey, Moldova) or only allowed for altruistic purposes (Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Greece, Hungary, Portugal). Portugal tried to fully legalise surrogacy a few times but it was declared unconstitutional. Poland, Sweden, Czech, Lithuania and Latvia are among the countries where there isn't clear guidance and up to date legislation is needed not disimilar to Ireland in some cases. Surrogacy is legal in nearly all former USSR states not previously mentioned. Also there are issues on EU definitions of human rights, particularly paying for the use of someone's body. Ireland has very strict laws on sex work and paying for sex is illegal. When those laws were being debated RTE gave women on both sides of the argument plenty of speaking time, Paying a poor young woman far away from Ireland for the use of her body for 9 months and potentially putting her life at risk, doesn't seem to bother RTE - even if the reporters are women. Paying 50- 60,000 to get a baby is only for the upper middle class or the rich. IMO the options for legislation involve: - Firstly, normalising the status of existing parents of surrogate children and giving them full parental rights. - Going forward, surrogacy should be made illegal or if not, the whole process has to happen within Ireland. But farming it out to other countries has to stop - this route should never have been open. Ukraine only allows straight married couples to go through the process there. I caught the end of a Late Late Show a few years ago where a gay couple with three children were defending surrogacy in an unchallenging piece where they cited homphobia and brought on their kids who they claimed were stigmatised. Homophobia isn't an issue in my criticism and the kids deserve all respect but the rich parents don't. Finally in a related issue, it is common for sperm donors to father 200 children. Why would someone want their child to have 200 siblings? Why??? I see this as a classic example of parents having huge privileges and their children having little or none. [/QUOTE]

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