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'Chicken' looked more like he was on heroin than cows blood products.
this video was on youtube since 2009.
top three worst time trials.
3) Kenyan Chris Froome @ U23 Worlds 2006. and Froome was just another rider even in 2009.
2) Riis stage @ Futuroscope TT 1997 Tour. This was a classic: David Duffield, Stephen Roche and a guy from Failte Eireann were playing blinder on Eurosport plugging the following years start in Dublin. then suddenly Duffers notices Riis stopping - Riis changes his bike, the chain falls off and Riis picks up his lovely Pinarello and flings it off the road. awesome TV.
and the winner is:
1) Michael Rasmussen 2005 Tour TT on penultimate day.
Chicken started the day in 3rd place and dropped to 7th. he crashed twice and changed bikes three times
if I remember correctly.
Riis 1997 TT meltdown on Eurosport. love all the noise in the commentary box when it happened.
Roche: ''Look at Pevenage (the DS) ...afraid to go over to Riis''. ha ha ha!
Cyclingnews.com was started by economist Bill Mitchell an avid cyclist who was struggling to get cycling results in Australia without a long wait. so in 1995 he started the site -
Bill's Cycling Racing Results and News (edit: got the name slightly wrong)
I knew he was academic but only realised he was a renowed economist about 5 years ago:
horrific crash on track at Commonwealth Games. two riders catapulted into the crowd
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Women's Tour de France:
really good week, very happy with all the coverage the race got.
my highlights were the amount of people who showed up for the final mountain stages in Vosges and of course a real great Dane, Uttrup-Ludwig finally winning a big race on stage 3 after her FDJ team had a disaster the previous day w/ Cavalli crashing out and Cecilie herself being held up in crash shortly after. ''we had fucking shit day yesterday''
the amount of crashes was the low point.
also the other teams never took advantage of Van Vleuten's weakness the first few days. she was sick and got dropped a few times and they let Annemeik off the hook. once she recovered it was normally service from her.
The moment Matt Walls crashes over barrier and into crowd at Commonwealth games – video
England’s Matt Walls catapulted over the railings and into the crowd in the latest incident to plague the cycling at the Commonwealth games
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Women's Tour de France:
really good week, very happy with all the coverage the race got.
my highlights were the amount of people who showed up for the final mountain stages in Vosges and of course a real great Dane, Uttrup-Ludwig finally winning a big race on stage 3 after her FDJ team had a disaster the previous day w/ Cavalli crashing out and Cecilie herself being held up in crash shortly after. ''we had fucking shit day yesterday''
the amount of crashes was the low point.
also the other teams never took advantage of Van Vleuten's weakness the first few days. she was sick and got dropped a few times and they let Annemeik off the hook. once she recovered it was normally service from her.
Jean Bobet (1930 - 29 July 2022)
Breton Jean Bobet was a link to the 1950's which he documented as a writer. He was also a very good pro, winning the 1955 Paris-Nice. Jean was World University Champion in 1949 before curtailing his studies to turn pro along side his older brother Louison 1949-59.
As team mate of treble Tour winner 1953-55 Louison Bobet (1925-83) Jean rode two Tours (14th 1955 and 15th 1957) three Giros and one Vuelta.
After he retired Jean was a journalist with a keen interest in the history of cycling.
One of his books Tomorrow We Ride was translated into English to much acclaim and documented his part in Louison's battles in the heirarchial world of 1950's cycling.
Jean made a memorable appearance in the Shay Elliot documentary Cycle of Betrayal. where he came across as a cerebral gent speaking with great clarity.
Louison's friend/rival Raphael Geminiani also born in 1925, turned 97 in June.
www.procyclingstats.com
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Breton Jean Bobet was a link to the 1950's which he documented as a writer. He was also a very good pro, winning the 1955 Paris-Nice. Jean was World University Champion in 1949 before curtailing his studies to turn pro along side his older brother Louison 1949-59.
As team mate of treble Tour winner 1953-55 Louison Bobet (1925-83) Jean rode two Tours (14th 1955 and 15th 1957) three Giros and one Vuelta.
After he retired Jean was a journalist with a keen interest in the history of cycling.
One of his books Tomorrow We Ride was translated into English to much acclaim and documented his part in Louison's battles in the heirarchial world of 1950's cycling.
Jean made a memorable appearance in the Shay Elliot documentary Cycle of Betrayal. where he came across as a cerebral gent speaking with great clarity.
Louison's friend/rival Raphael Geminiani also born in 1925, turned 97 in June.
Jean Bobet
Jean Bobet (born 1930-02-22 in Saint-Méen-le-Grand, passed away 2022-07-27) was a former professional road racing cyclist from France, active between 1950 and 1959. His best results are winning GC Paris-Nice and winning Genua - Nice.
www.procyclingstats.com
The death of cyclist Jean Bobet, "the man with a brother's mask" - News in France
“I was a special cyclist”estimated the youngest, Jean, born in 1930, five years after his...
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bumper day of cycling on Eurosport at the moment.
Pippa York commentating on Men's European Champs in Munich.
loads of people watching and lots of lovely buildings (Ludwig II stuff etc) and blazing sunshine.
there are are few dangerous very sudden pinch points and one took out Pascal Ackermann:
he got squeezed out and banged his head off the barriers going down. no one else went down thankfully.
Sam and Mullen confirmed for Vuelta after this. will be interesting as Jai Hindley is also starting for Bora.
Artic race of Norway and women's Tour of Scandanavia on later plus Euro track cycling.
Pippa York commentating on Men's European Champs in Munich.
loads of people watching and lots of lovely buildings (Ludwig II stuff etc) and blazing sunshine.
there are are few dangerous very sudden pinch points and one took out Pascal Ackermann:
he got squeezed out and banged his head off the barriers going down. no one else went down thankfully.
Sam and Mullen confirmed for Vuelta after this. will be interesting as Jai Hindley is also starting for Bora.
Artic race of Norway and women's Tour of Scandanavia on later plus Euro track cycling.
was my mind was playing tricks on me?? Viviani who had finished in 7th in the 200 km road race in Munich this afternoon turned up on the track and impressively won the elimination race a few hours later!
great article on the state of women's cycling, with lots of info and data
www.cyclingnews.com
in 1980's UK cycling magazine Winning would cover women's cycling at lot (as they would the UK and US domestic cycling circuits). With women's cycling at the 1984 Olympics and the women's Tour been run concurrently with the men's from 1984-88, women's cycling seemed to be on it's way.
but the 90's and 2000's things if anything took a step backwards.
when I started reading Cyclesport in 1997 and Procycling on it's debut in spring 1999, they very rarely covered women's cycling apart from the Worlds and Olympics and mostly concentrated men's road cycling plus a bit cyclocross in the winter helped fill a few pages.
an interview with Tour, Giro and world TT winner Joane Somarribia circa 1999/2000 possibly happened because her husband is Ramon Gonzalez Arietta (former Indurain domestique).
how they meet is funny:
one day training Ramon saw someone cycling towards him. Joane had recognised him and stopped to talk. Ramon didn't recognise Joane's name when she told him. he said in the interview he knew there was a very successful female cyclist from his area but know who she was.
You’ve come a long way, baby - Vital statistics show sea change in women’s cycling
Was the Tour de France Femmes a watershed moment, or a cherry on top for a cultural shift that has already taken place?
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but the 90's and 2000's things if anything took a step backwards.
when I started reading Cyclesport in 1997 and Procycling on it's debut in spring 1999, they very rarely covered women's cycling apart from the Worlds and Olympics and mostly concentrated men's road cycling plus a bit cyclocross in the winter helped fill a few pages.
an interview with Tour, Giro and world TT winner Joane Somarribia circa 1999/2000 possibly happened because her husband is Ramon Gonzalez Arietta (former Indurain domestique).
how they meet is funny:
one day training Ramon saw someone cycling towards him. Joane had recognised him and stopped to talk. Ramon didn't recognise Joane's name when she told him. he said in the interview he knew there was a very successful female cyclist from his area but know who she was.
Herman Van Springel (1943 - 25 August 2022)
Van Springel was one of Belgium's greatest, despite competing in the star studded Eddy Merckx era.
At the 1968 Tour, Belgium had not won the race since before the war and it ended in a TT in Paris with Van Springel starting in yellow by 16 seconds. To much anguish in Belgium, Jan Janssen surprisingly won the TT to beat Herman by 38 seconds on GC and win Holland's first Tour.
Van Springel was also 6th in 1966 and 1973 Tours (winning the latter green jersey) and won five Tour stages in total. He was also 2nd in the 1971 Giro and 3rd in the 1970 Vuelta.
But being Flemish it was in the classics where he was at his best, taking victories in Lombardia, Paris-Tours, Het Volk, Wevelgem, Zurich and a record 6 wins in the defunct 560km suicide race Bordeaux-Paris. Indeed one of his nicknames was 'Monsieur Bordeaux-Paris'.
Van Springel spent two seasons with Merckx 1971-72 at Molteni and finally retired in 1981 after one final
Bordeaux -Paris victory.
sporza.be
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I was very close to posting this on the main 'People who died' page, such is Herman's status, but thought
he would be more appreciated here.
Van Springel was one of Belgium's greatest, despite competing in the star studded Eddy Merckx era.
At the 1968 Tour, Belgium had not won the race since before the war and it ended in a TT in Paris with Van Springel starting in yellow by 16 seconds. To much anguish in Belgium, Jan Janssen surprisingly won the TT to beat Herman by 38 seconds on GC and win Holland's first Tour.
Van Springel was also 6th in 1966 and 1973 Tours (winning the latter green jersey) and won five Tour stages in total. He was also 2nd in the 1971 Giro and 3rd in the 1970 Vuelta.
But being Flemish it was in the classics where he was at his best, taking victories in Lombardia, Paris-Tours, Het Volk, Wevelgem, Zurich and a record 6 wins in the defunct 560km suicide race Bordeaux-Paris. Indeed one of his nicknames was 'Monsieur Bordeaux-Paris'.
Van Springel spent two seasons with Merckx 1971-72 at Molteni and finally retired in 1981 after one final
Bordeaux -Paris victory.
Wielerwereld rouwt om "Monsieur Bordeaux-Paris" Herman Vanspringel | sporza
De Belgische wielerwereld heeft vandaag een van zijn grote kampioenen verloren. Herman Vanspringel, bijgenaamd Monsieur Bordeaux-Paris, is op 79-jarige leeftijd overleden na een slepende ziekte. Vanspringel won in zijn carrière meer dan 130 wedstrijden, maar toch zijn ook enkele koersen die hij...
Herman Van Springel
Herman Van Springel (born 1943-08-14 in Ranst, passed away 2022-08-25) was a former professional road racing cyclist from Belgium, active between 1964 and 1981. His best results are 5 stage wins in Tour de France and 7 wins in Bordeaux - Paris.
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he would be more appreciated here.
finally it's raining - really raining - at a grand tour this year on stage 6 of the Vuelta. the first mountain stage.
absolutely pissing down. hope yer man in the lead can hang on. he's a great lad for an interview.
absolutely pissing down. hope yer man in the lead can hang on. he's a great lad for an interview.
so the lad who wins is the lad who won a competition on a turbo-trainer to get a pro contract
yeah, right, nothing at all to see here. What a fucked up sport
Mark Padun the Ukrainian was still in front when I posted that.
His interviews after winning consecutive 2021 Dauphine stages (admittedly very easily which was much commented on)
were very memorable.
We all want Ukraine to win.
Never heard of Jay Vine until yesterday.
His interviews after winning consecutive 2021 Dauphine stages (admittedly very easily which was much commented on)
were very memorable.
We all want Ukraine to win.
Never heard of Jay Vine until yesterday.
Sam Bennett out of the Vuelta with COVID.
www.cyclingnews.com
anyway two stages was ace - back on track.
strangely Mads Pedersen rode the TT without being told that Sam, his points jersey rival, hadn't started earlier!
so he went deep thinking he might get some points in the TT - which looks unlikely.
fuckin' eejit DS' - there is sprint stage tomorrow.
No Irish teams at any level for Worlds in Australia - for first time since 1970's Ireland is sending NO ONE.
rising costs and lack of funds cited.
what a kick in the teeth for U18 AND U23 riders who may never get this chance again.
Sam Bennett the latest to leave Vuelta a España with COVID-19
Irishman a late non-starter ahead of stage 10 as he becomes the 12th rider to leave race with the virus
www.cyclingnews.com
strangely Mads Pedersen rode the TT without being told that Sam, his points jersey rival, hadn't started earlier!
so he went deep thinking he might get some points in the TT - which looks unlikely.
fuckin' eejit DS' - there is sprint stage tomorrow.
No Irish teams at any level for Worlds in Australia - for first time since 1970's Ireland is sending NO ONE.
rising costs and lack of funds cited.
what a kick in the teeth for U18 AND U23 riders who may never get this chance again.
sickener. He was raging hot favourite for tomorrow's stage, but hey, shit happensSam Bennett out of the Vuelta with COVID.
anyway two stages was ace - back on track.Sam Bennett the latest to leave Vuelta a España with COVID-19
Irishman a late non-starter ahead of stage 10 as he becomes the 12th rider to leave race with the virus
strangely Mads Pedersen rode the TT without being told that Sam, his points jersey rival, hadn't started earlier!
so he went deep thinking he might get some points in the TT - which looks unlikely.
fuckin' eejit DS' - there is sprint stage tomorrow.
No Irish teams at any level for Worlds in Australia - for first time since 1970's Ireland is sending NO ONE.
rising costs and lack of funds cited.
what a kick in the teeth for U18 AND U23 riders who may never get this chance again.
I heard about this race so many times it became mythic to me until finally I saw the video of the finish in the 1998 Kelly documentary. I've watched it at least 50 times since then.
40 years ago today:
World Road Race Championships @ Goodwood, Sussex. Sunday 5 September 1982.
For most of the early part of the race Kimmage's auld pal Bernard Vallet (''a bullshitter'') is in a solo break, before being joined by Swede Tommy Prim (twice 2nd in Giro)
@25:32 Hinault abandons.
@39:00 Marino Lejaretta and Hennie Kuiper led into the last lap. Then Kelly attacks...
@42:10 2 km to go and final climb begins
@44:10 BAM!
The last km that day was the biggest moment in the history of US cycling up until that point - a huge break through.
Before the race Jonathan Boyer (first American to ride Tour in 1981) had asked for the first US rider on the day to be declared US Champion. LeMond thought this was a terrible idea as it damaged team unity but was overruled - this explains what happened in the last km.
Apparently the US riders were only given jerseys and weren't paid.
Italian gregario Alfredo Chinetti was superb at Goodwood. He did immense work throughout the race and chased Kelly down on the final lap and was still at the front until 1km to go.
www.procyclingstats.com
40 years ago today:
World Road Race Championships @ Goodwood, Sussex. Sunday 5 September 1982.
For most of the early part of the race Kimmage's auld pal Bernard Vallet (''a bullshitter'') is in a solo break, before being joined by Swede Tommy Prim (twice 2nd in Giro)
@25:32 Hinault abandons.
@39:00 Marino Lejaretta and Hennie Kuiper led into the last lap. Then Kelly attacks...
@42:10 2 km to go and final climb begins
@44:10 BAM!
The last km that day was the biggest moment in the history of US cycling up until that point - a huge break through.
Before the race Jonathan Boyer (first American to ride Tour in 1981) had asked for the first US rider on the day to be declared US Champion. LeMond thought this was a terrible idea as it damaged team unity but was overruled - this explains what happened in the last km.
Apparently the US riders were only given jerseys and weren't paid.
Italian gregario Alfredo Chinetti was superb at Goodwood. He did immense work throughout the race and chased Kelly down on the final lap and was still at the front until 1km to go.
World Championships - Road Race 1982 One day race results
Giuseppe Saronni is the winner of World Championships - Road Race 1982, before Greg LeMond and Sean Kelly.
www.procyclingstats.com
I heard about this race so many times it became mythic to me until finally I saw the video of the finish in the 1998 Kelly documentary. I've watched it at least 50 times since then.
40 years ago today:
World Road Race Championships @ Goodwood, Sussex. Sunday 5 September 1982.
For most of the early part of the race Kimmage's auld pal Bernard Vallet (''a bullshitter'') is in a solo break, before being joined by Swede Tommy Prim (twice 2nd in Giro)
@25:32 Hinault abandons.
@39:00 Marino Lejaretta and Hennie Kuiper led into the last lap. Then Kelly attacks...
@42:10 2 km to go and final climb begins
@44:10 BAM!
The last km that day was the biggest moment in the history of US cycling up until that point - a huge break through.
Before the race Jonathan Boyer (first American to ride Tour in 1981) had asked for the first US rider on the day to be declared US Champion. LeMond thought this was a terrible idea as it damaged team unity but was overruled - this explains what happened in the last km.
Apparently the US riders were only given jerseys and weren't paid.
Italian gregario Alfredo Chinetti was superb at Goodwood. He did immense work throughout the race and chased Kelly down on the final lap and was still at the front until 1km to go.
World Championships - Road Race 1982 One day race results
Giuseppe Saronni is the winner of World Championships - Road Race 1982, before Greg LeMond and Sean Kelly.
I have since noticed that Wiggo's dad rode the Worlds in 1982 but DNF.
fellow Aussie Shane Sutton finished last, 20 minutes down and 8 minutes behind everyone else and 14 minutes behind 3rd last.
Clearly the psychopath never had any self awareness.
the Tour of Britain's final three stages have been cancelled.
the rules as regards the final 3 km to be reconsidered after what happened on stage 16 of Vuelta.
unless you crash this is too easily abused, although it rarely happens.
Evenepoel did nothing illegal but already had a slow puncture at 5km and got a free pass. Roglic was killing himself while Evenepoel was cruising in knowing that he'd only lose 8 seconds. then Roglic had the misfortune to crash ending his race (not Wright Said Fred's fault by the way).
Similar to the time Froome, Porte and Mollema crashed into a motorbike on Ventoux when the road got blocked by the crowd after the stage was shortened.
Bauke Mollema bombed on to the finish line thinking he was gaining time but then Froome and Porte were given s.t. despite cruising in minutes later.
the rules as regards the final 3 km to be reconsidered after what happened on stage 16 of Vuelta.
unless you crash this is too easily abused, although it rarely happens.
Evenepoel did nothing illegal but already had a slow puncture at 5km and got a free pass. Roglic was killing himself while Evenepoel was cruising in knowing that he'd only lose 8 seconds. then Roglic had the misfortune to crash ending his race (not Wright Said Fred's fault by the way).
Similar to the time Froome, Porte and Mollema crashed into a motorbike on Ventoux when the road got blocked by the crowd after the stage was shortened.
Bauke Mollema bombed on to the finish line thinking he was gaining time but then Froome and Porte were given s.t. despite cruising in minutes later.
Cormcolash
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It's a shit rule
Gerben Karstens (1942 - 8 October 2022)
Dutch spinter Karstens turned pro in 1965 after being part of the Dutch team that won the 100km TTT gold at the Tokyo Olympics. In his pro career w/ the likes of Peugeot and Raleigh he won 6 Tour, 1 Giro and 14 Vuelta stages. He was also a fine classics rider winning Paris-Tours in debut season and had several near misses.
Karsten did cross the line first in Lombardy in 1969 and Paris-Tours in 1974 but both wins were recinded due to a failed dope test and missing a post race dope control respectively.
Karstens was by all accounts a very funny guy who liked a joke, including cycling during races with a traffic cone on his head.
Kartsens last team De Vleeschmeesters translates as 'The Meatmasters'.
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Dutch spinter Karstens turned pro in 1965 after being part of the Dutch team that won the 100km TTT gold at the Tokyo Olympics. In his pro career w/ the likes of Peugeot and Raleigh he won 6 Tour, 1 Giro and 14 Vuelta stages. He was also a fine classics rider winning Paris-Tours in debut season and had several near misses.
Karsten did cross the line first in Lombardy in 1969 and Paris-Tours in 1974 but both wins were recinded due to a failed dope test and missing a post race dope control respectively.
Karstens was by all accounts a very funny guy who liked a joke, including cycling during races with a traffic cone on his head.
Kartsens last team De Vleeschmeesters translates as 'The Meatmasters'.
Gerben Karstens
Gerben Karstens (born 1942-01-14 in Leiden, passed away 2022-10-08) was a former professional road racing cyclist from Netherlands, active between 1964 and 1978. His best results are 14 stage wins in La Vuelta ciclista a España and 6 stage wins in Tour de France.
www.procyclingstats.com
This is about a month late but watching Olympic champ Anna Kiesenhoffer in Women's Vuelta Challenge tie in race gave an interesting picture of her and why she is not a full time pro.
A spell with Lotto Soudal in 2017 was a disaster. She quit nearly every race and left the team at the end of April.
So Kiesenhoffer's very rare appearance at a stage race in September got a lot of attention.
On one long 160.4 km stage with an uphill finish, she did a 158 km solo break (almost unheard of in 21st century cycling) and was caught with 1.1 km to go. Her descending on that stage was poor.
On a mountain stage Kiesenhoffer finished 20th and was also 20th overall riding for a very weak team.
But she spent most of the race riding at the back of the peloton and has huge problems riding in a bunch.
Afterwards she finished 10th in the TT Worlds and was 5th in the Euro champs TT back in August.
www.procyclingstats.com
Dr. Anna Kiesenhoffer is easily in the top 30 riders ability wise but her bike handling is a huge problem.
Anyway look forward to the next time she dumps the maths stuff for a few days cycling.
A spell with Lotto Soudal in 2017 was a disaster. She quit nearly every race and left the team at the end of April.
So Kiesenhoffer's very rare appearance at a stage race in September got a lot of attention.
On one long 160.4 km stage with an uphill finish, she did a 158 km solo break (almost unheard of in 21st century cycling) and was caught with 1.1 km to go. Her descending on that stage was poor.
On a mountain stage Kiesenhoffer finished 20th and was also 20th overall riding for a very weak team.
But she spent most of the race riding at the back of the peloton and has huge problems riding in a bunch.
Afterwards she finished 10th in the TT Worlds and was 5th in the Euro champs TT back in August.
Anna Kiesenhofer
Anna Kiesenhofer (born 1991-02-14) is a road racing cyclist from Austria, active between 2015 and 2022.
Anyway look forward to the next time she dumps the maths stuff for a few days cycling.
Dan Martin interview in The Guardian:
he has a bio published last week with a great title: Chased By Pandas (geddit?)
www.theguardian.com
he has a bio published last week with a great title: Chased By Pandas (geddit?)
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