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[Franco]

what i am doubting is your net spend for united

who have they sold , we named loads of their expensive buys
you named 3 who you sold for 50 , where is the other hundreds of mill
coming from ?

here's a breakdown i found of the two's net spending since the early nineties on another forum. it's ugly but fairly accurate.

Season 91-92

UNITED:
Spent:
8/8/91 Paul Parker 2,000;
12/8/91 Peter Schmeichel 550.
Total spent: 2,550
Received:
8/8/91 Deniol Graham 50,
7/2/92 Jim Leighton 200.
Total Received: 250

United net spent: 2,300



LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
15/7/91 Mark Wright 2,200
19/7/91 Dean Saunders 2,900
13/8/91 Mark Walters 1,250
4/10/91 Rob Jones 300
16/12/91 Michael Thomas 1,500
./2/92 Istvan Kozma 300
12/3/92 Lee Jones 300
19/3/92 Scott Paterson 15
Total spent: 8,765
Received:
5/8/91 Peter Beardsley 1,000
7/8/91 SteveStaunton 1,100
15/8/91 Gary Gillespie 925
8/10/91 Jimmy Carter 500
24/12/91 Steve McMahon 900
Total Received: 4,425

Liverpool net spent: -4,340


Season 92-93

UNITED:
Spent:
1/8/92 Patrick McGibbon 100
7/8/92 Dion Dublin 1,000
27/11/92 Eric Cantona 1,200
Total spent: 2,300
Received:
14/8/92 Mark Robins 800
26/8/92 Derek Brazil 85
23/11/92 Neil Webb 800
Total Received: 1,685

United net spent: -615

Running Total: -2,915



LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
6/7/92 David James 1,000
29/7/92 Paul Stewart 2,300
1/9/92 Torben Piechnik 500
18/12/92 Stig Inge Bjornebye 600
Total spent: 4,400
Received:
28/7/92 Ray Houghton 900
31/7/92 Barry Venison 250
Total Received:1,150

Liverpool net spent: -3,250

Running Total: -7,590


Season 93-94

UNITED:
Spent:
22/7/93 Roy Keane 3,750
Total spent: 3,750
Received:
16/7/93 Brian Carey 250
15/10/93 Danny Wallace 250
13/1/94 Darren Ferguson 250
Total Received: 750

United net spent: -3,000

Running Total: -5,915



LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
7/6/93 Nigel Clough 2,275
22/7/93 Neil Ruddock 2,500
17/9/93 Julian Dicks 2,600
Total spent: 7,375
Received:
17/9/93 David Burrows 500
17/9/93 Mike Marsh 500
10/9/92 Dean Saunders 2,300
23/9/93 Michael Hooper 550
26/1/94 Ronnie Rosenthal 250
Total Received: 4,100

Liverpool net spent: -3,275

Running Total: -10,865


Season 94-95

UNITED:
Spent:
12/7/94 Graeme Tomlinson 100
1/7/94 David May 1,400
12/1/95 Andy Cole 7,000
Total spent: 8,500
Received:
2/9/94 Neil Withworth 265
6/9/94 Colin McKee 265
9/9/94 Dion Dublin 1,950
12/1/95 Keith Gillespie 1,000
Total Received: 3,480

United net spent: -5,020

Running Total: -10,935


LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
31/5/94 Michael Stensgaard 400
1/9/94 Phil Babb 3,600
2/9/94 John Scales 3,500
21/3/95 Mark Kennedy 2,300
Total spent: 9,800
Received:
20/5/94 Julian Dicks 1,000
30/8/94 Don Hutchison 1,500
Total Received: 2,500

Liverpool net spent: -7,300

Running Total: -18,165

***

Season 95-96

UNITED:
Spent:
27/9/95 Nicky Culkin 500
31/1/96 Tony Coton 500
Total spent: 1,000
Received:
22/6/95 Paul Ince 7,000
23/6/95 Mark Hughes 1,500
19/7/95 Richard Irving 75
26/7/95 Ashley Westwood 40
11/8/95 Gary Walsh 250
25/8/95 Andrei Kanchelskis 5,500
Total Received: 14,365

United net RECEIVED: +13,365

Running Total: +2,430

LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
1/7/95 Stan Collymore 8,500
7/9/95 Jason McAteer 4,500
Total spent: 13,000
Received:
24/1/96 Nigel Clough 1,500
Total Received:1,500

Liverpool net spent: -11,500

Running Total: -29,665

Season 96-97

UNITED:
Spent:
10/7/96 Ronnie Johnsen 1,200
23/7/96 Ole Solskjaer 1,500
24/7/96 Karel Poborsky 3,500
26/7/96 Jordi Cruyff 1,300
Total spent: 7,500
Received:
18/7/96 Tony Coton 600
14/8/96 Lee Sharpe 4,500
Total Received: 5,100

United net spent: -2,400

Running Total (Received) : +30



LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
1/9/96 Patrik Berger 3,250
Total spent: 3,250
Received:
11/12/96 John Scales 2,600
Total Received: 2,600

Liverpool net spent: -650

Running Total: -30,315
Season 97-98

UNITED:
Spent:
27/6/97 Teddy Sheringham 3,500
11/8/97 Henning Berg 5,000
26/3/98 Jonathan Greening 1,000
Total spent: 9,500
Received:
1/8/97 Simon Davies 200
1/8/97 Colin Murdock 100
1/8/97 Michael Appleton 500
1/8/97 Patrick McGibbon 250
30/12/97 Karel Poborsky 2,000
28/1/98 John O'Kane 400
Total Received: 3,450

United net spent: -6,050

Running Total: -6,020



LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
2/6/97 Oyvind Leonhardsen 3,500
10/7/97 Paul Ince 4,200
15/7/97 Danny Murphy 3,000
30/7/97 Karlheinz Riedle 1,800
1/12/97 Haukur Gudnason 150
19/12/97 Brad Friedel 1,000
Total spent: 13,650
Received:
13/5/97 Stan Collymore 7,000
30/5/97 Lee Jones 100
26/3/98 Mark Kennedy 1,750
Total Received: 8,850

Liverpool net spent: -4,800

Running Total: -35,115

Season 98-99

UNITED:
Spent:
1/7/98 Jaap Stam 10,750
22/7/98 Jesper Blomqvist 4,400
20/8/98 Dwight Yorke 12,600
Total spent: 27,750
Received:
12/6/98 Grant Brebner 300
24/6/98 Ben Thornley 175
6/7/98 Gary Pallister 2,500
2/1198 Chris Casper 300
25/3/99 Phillip Mulryne 500
15/4/99 Terry Cooke 1,000
Total Received: 4,775

United net spent: -22,975

Running Total: -28,995



LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
5/6/98 Sean Dundee 2,000
21/7/98 Vegard Heggem 3,500
6/1/99 Frode Kippe 700
6/1/99 Jean Michel Ferri 1,700
22/1/99 Rigobert Song 2,600
17/2/99 Djimi Traore 550
Total spent: 11,050
Received:
30/7/98 Neil Ruddock 100
27/1/99 Jason McAteer 4,000
9/3/99 Steve Harkness 750
Total Received: 4,850

Liverpool net spent: -6,200

Running Total: -41,315

 

[Franco]

cont.

Season 99-00

UNITED:
Spent:
25/8/99 Quinton Fortune 1,500
31/8/99 Massimo Taibi 4,500
10/9/99 Michael Silvestre 4,000
Total spent: 10,000
Received:
19/12/99 Erik Nevland 250
Total Received: 250

United net spent: -9,750

Running Total: -38,745



LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
18/5/99 Sami Hyypia 3,000
2/6/99 Titi Camara 2,600
3/6/99 Stephane Henchoz 3,500
15/6/99 Sander Westerveld 4,000
1/7/99 Vladimir Smicer 4,200
22/7/99 Dietmar Hamann 8,000
10/3/00 Emile Heskey 11,000
Total spent: 36,300
Received:
17/6/99 David James 1,700
14/7/99 Jean Michel Ferri 1,500
30/7/99 Sean Dundee 1,000
30/7/99 Paul Ince 1,000
6/8/99 Oyvind Leonhardsen 3,000
30/8/99 Bjorn Tor Kvarme 1,000
28/9/99 Karlheinz Riedle 200
Total Received: 9,400

Liverpool net spent: -26,900

Running Total: -68,215


Season 00-01

UNITED:
Spent:
31/5/00 Fabien Barthez 7,800
Total spent: 7,800
Received:
1/6/00 John Curtis 1,500
5/7/00 Dan Higginbotham 2,000
7/7/00 Massimo Taibi 2,500
28/11/00 Alex Notman 250
15/12/00 Henning Berg 1,750
3/1/01 David Healy 1,500
Total Received: 9,500

United net RECEIVED: +1,700

Running Total: -37,045



LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
8/6/00 Bernard Diomede 3,000
18/7/00 Nicky Barmby 6,000
25/8/00 Christian Ziege 5,500
23/9/00 Gregory Vignal 500
30/11/00 Daniel Sjolund 1,000
7/12/00 Igor Biscan 5,500
Total spent: 21,500
Received:
26/6/00 Stig Inge Bjornebye 300
3/8/00 David Thompson 3,000
18/8/00 Dominic Matteo 4,250
28/11/00 Rigobert Song 2,500
21/12/00 Titi Camara 2,200
20/3/01 John Newby 100
Total Received: 12,350

Liverpool net spent: -9,150

Running Total: -77,365




Season 01-02

UNITED:
Spent:
1/7/01 Ruud van Nistelrooy 19,000
12/7/01 Juan Veron 28,100
27/7/01 Roy Carroll 2,500
22/1/02 Diego Forlan 6,900
12/5/02 Luke Steele 500
Total spent: 57,000
Received:
9/8/01 Jonathan Greening 2,000
9/8/01 Mark Wilson 1,500
27/8/01 Jaap Stam 16,500
29/12/01 Andy Cole 8,000
18/5/02 Paul Rachubka 200
Total Received: 28,200

United net spent: -28,800

Running Total: -65,845



LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
21/6/01 John Arne Riise 4,600
31/8/01 Christopher Kirkland 6,000
31/8/01 Jurek Dudek 4,850
23/12/01 Milan Baros 3,600
31/1/02 Abel Xavier 800
Total spent: 19,850
Received:
20/7/01 Christian Ziege 4,000
29/11/01 Robbie Fowler 11,000
17/12/01 Sander Westerveld 3,490
23/1/02 Alan Navarro 225
Total Received: 18,715

Liverpool net spent: -1,135

Running Total: -78,500

***

Season 02-03

UNITED:
Spent:
22/7/02 Rio Ferdinand 31,500
30/8/02 Ricardo 1,500
Total spent: 33,000
Received:
26/7/02 Dwight Yorke 2,000
Total Received: 2,000

United net spent: -31,000

Running Total: -96,845



LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
25/6/02 El-Hadji Diouf 10,000
1/7/02 Bruno Cheyrou 4,500
6/8/02 Salif Diao 5,000
Total spent: 19,500
Received:
8/8/02 Nicky Barmby 2,750
15/8/02 Stephen Wright 3,000
Total Received: 5,750

Liverpool net spent: -13,750

Running Total: -92,250

 

[Franco]

almost there.....

Season 03-04

UNITED:
Spent:
1/7/03 David Bellion 2,000
3/7/03 Eric Djemba-Djemba 3,500
15/7/03 Tim Howard 2,300
12/8/03 Kleberson 5,930
12/8/03 Cristiano Ronaldo 12,240
12/1/04 Dong Fangzhou 500
23/1/04 Louis Saha 12,820
Total spent: 39,290
Received:
2/7/03 David Beckham 25,000
6/8/03 Juan Veron 15,000
Total Received: 40,000

United net RECEIVED: +700

Running Total: -96,135



LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
1/7/03 Stephen Finnan 3,500
9/7/03 Harry Kewell 5,000
Total spent: 8,500
Received:
none
Total Received: 0

Liverpool net spent: -8,500

Running Total: -100,750

Season 04-05

UNITED:
Spent:
27/5/04 Alan Smith 7,000
11/6/04 Gabriel Heinze 6,900
31/8/04 Wayne Rooney 27,000
Total spent: 40,900
Received:
26/5/04 Danny Pugh 1,000
29/7/04 Nicky Butt 2,500
20/8/04 Diego Forlan 2,000
31/1/05 Eric Djemba-Djemba 1,350
Total Received: 6,850

United net spent: -34,050

Running Total: -130,185



LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
1/7/04 Djibril Cisse 14,000
27/7/04 Josemi 2,000
1/8/04 Javier Luis Garcia 6,000
1/8/04 Xabi Alonso 10,500
13/1/05 Fernando Morientes 6,300
21/1/05 Scott Carson 750
Total spent: -39,550
Received:
20/5/04 Emile Heskey 6,250
10/8/04 Danny Murphy 2,500
13/8/04 Michael Owen 8,000
Total Received: 16,750

Liverpool net spent: -22,800

Running Total: -123,550

Season 05-06

UNITED:
Spent:
1/6/05 Edwin van der Sar 2,000
5/7/05 Ji-Sung Park 4,000
19/7/05 Ben Foster 1,000
4/1/06 Nemanja Vidic 7,000
10/1/06 Patrice Evra 5,500
Total spent: 19,500
Received:
4/8/05 Philip Neville 3,500
8/8/05 Kleberson 2,500
Total Received: 6,000

United net spent: -13,500

Running Total: -143,685



LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
4/7/05 Jose Reina 6,000
4/7/05 Mark Gonzalez 4,500
13/7/05 Mohamed Sissoko 5,600
20/7/05 Peter Crouch 7,000
12/1/06 Daniel Agger 5,800
Total spent: -28,900
Received:
16/6/05 El-Hadji Diouf 4,000
23/8/05 Milan Baros 6,500
Total Received: 10,500

Liverpool net spent: -10,500

Running Total: -141,950

***

 

[Franco]

IT'S COMING!!

Season 06-07

UNITED:
Spent:
31/7/06 Michael Carrick 18,600
Total spent: 18,600
Received:
3/6/06 Jon Obi Mikel 12,000
15/6/06 Jonathan Spector 500
14/7/06 Sylvain Ebanks-Blake 200
28/7/06 Ruud van Nistelrooy 10,300
4/1/07 David Jones 1,000
14/2/07 Tim Howard 3,000
Total Received:27,000

United net RECEIVED: +8,400

Running Total: -135,285



LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
22/6/06 Craig Bellamy 6,000
1/7/06 Gabriel Paletta 2,000
26/7/06 Jermaine Pennant 6,700
18/8/06 Dirk Kuyt 9,000
31/1/07 Alvaro Arbeloa 2,600
31/1/07 Javier Mascherano 150
Total spent: -26,450
Received:
25/5/06 Fernando Morientes 3,000
12/7/06 Dietmar Hamann 400
4/8/06 Antonio Barragan 680
8/8/06 Djimi Traore 2,000
30/8/06 Neil Mellor 500
18/1/07 Darren Potter 250
22/1/07 Stephen Warnock 1,500
Total Received: 8,330

Liverpool net spent: -18,8120

Running Total: -160,070

Season 07-08

UNITED:
Spent:
1/7/07 Owen Hargreaves 17,000
2/7/07 Anderson 17,000
2/7/07 Nani 14,000
4/8/07 Carlos Tevez 2,000
Total spent: 50,000
Received:
16/7/07 Kieran Richardson 5,500
31/7/07 Giuseppe Rossi 6,700
3/8/07 Alan Smith 6,000
23/8/07 Gabriel Heinze 8,000
Total Received: 26,200

United net spent: -23,800

Final Total: -159,085



LIVERPOOL:
Spent:
4/7/07 Fernando Torres 20,200
12/7/07 Yossi Benayoun 5,000
13/7/07 Ryan Babel 11,500
Total spent: -36,700
Received:
4/5/07 Florent Sinama-Pongolle 2,700
20/6/07 Danny O Donnell 100
3/7/07 Javier Luis Garcia 4,000
8/7/07 Djibril Cisse 6,000
10/7/07 Craig Bellamy 7,500
19/7/07 Mark Gonzalez 4,200
Total Received: 24,500

Liverpool net spent: -12,200

Final Total: -172,270



phew.

 

[Franco]

what a load of jip.

 

[shitepipe]

27/11/92 Eric Cantona 1,200

 

[nofriendo]

i was surprised when you said united had less than the pool
i never said the pools spend was small , never in a million years

what i am doubting is your net spend for united

who have they sold , we named loads of their expensive buys
you named 3 who you sold for 50 , where is the other hundreds of mill
coming from ?

first off, none of these are my calculations, you talk like i added up these figures!

that was 50 million from one season! have liverpool come close to that in sales in one season ? cant be arsed going through each season finding the transfers out but you can be sure that it is probably more than liverpools every year.

This season alone manu have sold around £30m/€40m euros if reports are to be believed!

 

[nofriendo]

here franco for manu 07-08 you can add bardsley 2m and shawcross 1.5m to that

 

[Hector Grey]

what a load of bollocks.

 

[nofriendo]

liverpools net spend has gone from -123,550 to -170,270 since benitez has taken over, in fairness though by the looks of it he has bought less junk than houllier

 

[Hector Grey]

that was my 10. 000th post.

as for spending, all them arsenal twats who say "we spend nothing" how much did the stadium cost? same goes for united. and wages too. and those figures are half made up. this conversation is all bollocks. what exactly is the point?

 

[Unicron]

that was my 10. 000th post.

as for spending, all them arsenal twats who say "we spend nothing" how much did the stadium cost? same goes for united. and wages too.

Our top earner is well down the best played player list. As for the stadium, whats that got to do with the players we have in the squad?

 

[Hector Grey]

Our top earner is well down the best played player list. As for the stadium, whats that got to do with the players we have in the squad?

the stadium generates the income. it cost 100's of million. liverpool are gonna try the same thing now. then everyone will have megastadia. and there'll be income. and money will fly out the door on awful cunts.

liverpools problem isn't the amount of money they've spent, but the dirk kuyt they've spent it on. when you get a settled squad, it's much easier to buy some quality for 25 mil every year and watch it settle in, at liverpool, rafa buys six players a year and gets frustrated when they don't. but when he had the wanga, he bought torres. now liverpool need to buy 3 or 4 more of a similar quality and no doubt a similar fee. in order to do this, they'll need income, the income of a 67,000 seater stadium that's sold out once a week perhaps? but of course, whilst building said stadium, we;ll be stuck in the kuyt. so the kuyt is, one the kuyt, kuyt. see, it's a simple case of kuyt.

kuyt?

 

[nofriendo]

that was my 10. 000th post.

as for spending, all them arsenal twats who say "we spend nothing" how much did the stadium cost? same goes for united. and wages too. and those figures are half made up. this conversation is all bollocks. what exactly is the point?

arent liverpool building a new stadium as well ? manu built on an existing stadium you can be sure that the dev costs were cheaper. I have never said that manu dont spend alot on transfers/wages . Its the fact that liverpool fans and their manager give out about the lack of transfer funds even though they have spent over £40 million this season alone.

i wouldnt say the figures are completely made up but they dont show the whole picture, like the eventual cost of tevez. I couldnt give a shit if manu were top of the net spenders as we are consistently successful (well give or take 2 seasons) and we look like we are building a good team for the future

 

[Hector Grey]

arent liverpool building a new stadium as well ? manu built on an existing stadium you can be sure that the dev costs were cheaper. I have never said that manu dont spend alot on transfers/wages . Its the fact that liverpool fans and their manager give out about the lack of transfer funds even though they have spent over £40 million this season alone.

i wouldnt say the figures are completely made up but they dont show the whole picture, like the eventual cost of tevez. I couldnt give a shit if manu were top of the net spenders as we are consistently successful (well give or take 2 seasons) and we look like we are building a good team for the future

you spend big, you win. that includes wages and stadia and decent cups of half time tea. the difference is, liverpool can spend 40 mil in a year, but on six or seven players. i'd like to blow 40 mil on torres and masch, than any number of kuyt. if united and chelsea are spending 30 mil on players, and have been for years, then that's the benchmark, isn't it? and if arsenal are pumping 100's of million into a new stadium, than that too is the way forward. i'd like liverpool to spend 100 mil on players next year and fuck y'all. i'd fucking love it if we got 70,000 people every week. bring it on. the reality is liverpool trail in this department, and lack of sucess breeds a n inferiority complex, which is deeply ingrained in liverpool. except in europe, where they know they can win. rafa should TODAY spend 30 million on one good player. right now. i would.

the idea that there's some kind of moral highground in not spending is bollocks. bring it on. spend. buy success. that's the way the game is now.

 

[Unicron]

I said players WE'VE got in the squad. We've got the income, but what are we spending it on? Had we stuck the combined fees we got from Henry and Reyes together and topped it up with a few mill from the supposed £40 million that Arsene has been sitting on for the past couple of years we probably could have bid against you for Torres.

But for better or worse that doesn't seem to be Wenger's way and I'm unsure if he'll change. He's a pretty single minded and stubborn man and does appear to be in love with the idea of building his own teams and shaping players into his image of what a footballer should be. But he did spend a decade or so in Highbury which didn't generate the same revenues as the Emirates does so maybe he needs to get used to having the cash to drop 20 mill on an established superstar. I do suspect though that Arsenal won't won't start doing that on a regular basis until the manager after Wenger is in charge.

 

[nofriendo]

you spend big, you win. that includes wages and stadia and decent cups of half time tea. the difference is, liverpool can spend 40 mil in a year, but on six or seven players. i'd like to blow 40 mil on torres and masch, than any number of kuyt. if united and chelsea are spending 30 mil on players, and have been for years, then that's the benchmark, isn't it? and if arsenal are pumping 100's of million into a new stadium, than that too is the way forward. i'd like liverpool to spend 100 mil on players next year and fuck y'all. i'd fucking love it if we got 70,000 people every week. bring it on. the reality is liverpool trail in this department, and lack of sucess breeds a n inferiority complex, which is deeply ingrained in liverpool. except in europe, where they know they can win. rafa should TODAY spend 30 million on one good player. right now. i would.

the idea that there's some kind of moral highground in not spending is bollocks. bring it on. spend. buy success. that's the way the game is now.

i hold absolutely no moral highground for not spending, since the start of the prem, apart from chelsea the difference between the clubs on the list is minimal.

one thing i have to say though is liverpool have a good squad ( hell even a very good squad ) If rafa is to stay he should be made sell off some players but be given all those funds to spend on whoever the hell he wants, be it 1 player or 50. Looking through the liverpool squad apart from a world class winger what do they desperately need ? great goalie, solid back four, more center mids than you can shake a stick at, and in babel, crouch and torres a very good frontline including impact sub.

 

[Unicron]

the idea that there's some kind of moral highground in not spending is bollocks. bring it on. spend. buy success. that's the way the game is now.

I don't think there's a moral high ground to it. It just makes me good as an Arsenal fan; about the team, about the manager that we've been as successful as we have been over the course of the past decade whilst being unable/unwilling to splash out on top priced players. And I certainly don't begrudge United or Liverpool for spending more than us as they're clubs who for the most part have sourced their cash from solid footballing and sensible business foundations. Chelsea are a different story because they're like a spoiled child being indulged by some weak willed father.

 

[Hector Grey]

I don't think there's a moral high ground to it. It just makes me good as an Arsenal fan; about the team, about the manager that we've been as successful as we have been over the course of the past decade whilst being unable/unwilling to splash out on top priced players. And I certainly don't begrudge United or Liverpool for spending more than us as they're clubs who for the most part have sourced their cash from solid footballing and sensible business foundations. Chelsea are a different story because they're like a spoiled child being indulged by some weak willed father.

i agree with you, but that's down to the manager. before he arrived, arsenal spent big. bergkamp anyone? and they, even they, occasionally have to spend on quality. but the arse have still spent a lorra lorra dosh on the stadium. which necessitated arsenes parsimoniousness. and lucky for the gunners, he's good at that. jose antonio "17 million" reyes aside.

also, arse haven't won the league in 3 years, have they? and much as it aids my cock, i don't think they will this year either.

 

[Hector Grey]

the chelsea thing is different. noone likes the arrogance bourne only of cash, or the fact that they lacked "tradition", after all, jose's first league was only their second, and fisrt in 50 years. although there's a precedent. nottingham forrest won 2 european cups of a solitary league success. no one likes fat frank either. bu arrogance is born of sucess, ultimately. jose was arrogant, but he won fuck loads. same goes for Sir. and then there's ronaldo. you hate the cunt, put he pings in another goal. you have a team full of winners led by a winner, frankly, no one is gonna like you.