The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967) (1 Viewer)

[Cornu Ammonis]

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[Cornu Ammonis]

Absolutely. I have one of her LPs and it’s probably my favourite post-VU album by any of them.

Actually I lie, it’s Nico’s Desertshore or Marble Index.

 

[GO]

Hands up who saw Mo and Sterling in the Baggot Inn?



And the reunionion at Glasto?

 

[Lili Marlene]

Fascinating insight into what America does to people's minds in this tea-party era interview with her

Interview: Moe Tucker of the Velvet Underground Sets the Record Straight

In April 2009, WALB-TV aired a story about a Tea Party rally in nearby Tifton, Georgia. About two-and-a-half minutes...

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not holding it against her or her music, it's genuinely just a bonkers read of that peak anti-Obama period.

 

[nuke terrorist]

Fascinating insight into what America does to people's minds in this tea-party era interview with her

Interview: Moe Tucker of the Velvet Underground Sets the Record Straight

In April 2009, WALB-TV aired a story about a Tea Party rally in nearby Tifton, Georgia. About two-and-a-half minutes...

web.archive.org

not holding it against her or her music, it's genuinely just a bonkers read of that peak anti-Obama period.

I remember her being filmed for a vox pop at a Tea Party demo. as far as I know she raised her family in Georgia and had a job working at Wal Mart. she never saw much money in her life.

 

[magicbastarder]

i saw john cale a couple of years ago in the NCH and it was one of the most bizarrely inconsistent gigs i've seen. i got the impression his band were terrified of him.
one of the songs he played was called 'what is the legal status of ice?' which posed the question 'what is the legal status of ice?', repeatedly.

 

[GO]

i saw john cale a couple of years ago in the NCH and it was one of the most bizarrely inconsistent gigs i've seen. i got the impression his band were terrified of him.
one of the songs he played was called 'what is the legal status of ice?' which posed the question 'what is the legal status of ice?', repeatedly.

I was sorry I missed that.

I would love to hear Paris 1919 live. Thats my favourite post VU album

 

[magicbastarder]

one of the formative albums of my youth was 'new york'. also, i remember a few years later, one of my mum's friends showing a weird interest in what music i liked (my mum probably told her i was usually buried in headphones) and wanted to hear what i was listening to; i had 'street hassle' on a CD in the cd player at the time, so stuck that on for her and she really liked it. i don't think she really copped the lyrics though.

 

[Diumraid]

I could wax on endlessly about this album but ....
The Cale gig in the NCH was totally amazing, I sort of dreaded the possibility of seeing a genteel 'rainy season' kind of show.. great to see that level of high-wire action and sheer wilful discomfort from a man approaching his 8th decade. Post velvets faves would include 'Songs for Drella' and this among many many others

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[Denny Oubidoux]

I also mostly loved the NCH gig, his voice was great, and he played Hedda Gabler. I don't know what post-VU I'd give my number one to but recently Cale's Music For A New Society has been getting the most play and I never really noticed Moe Tucker had a solo career but I like those tunes above.

 

[Burgerbarbaby]

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Did this get posted yet? Worth your attention. They invented everything, and did it better than anyone else. Fuckers.

 

[Lili Marlene]

They invented everything???

If we're being ridiculous i'm going to go out here and stake the claim that they were just ripping of Bo Diddley and Joe Meek while James Brown was busy inventing funk. They only got the credit for it because they were in New York and wearing sunglasses.

 

[Burgerbarbaby]

They invented everything???

If we're being ridiculous i'm going to go out here and stake the claim that they were just ripping of Bo Diddley and Joe Meek while James Brown was busy inventing funk. They only got the credit for it because they were in New York and wearing sunglasses.

I should add an asterisk when I'm deliberately being ridiculous, so there's no room for this kind of dreadful misunderstanding

 

[Lili Marlene]

I should add an asterisk when I'm deliberately being ridiculous, so there's no room for this kind of dreadful misunderstanding

I honestly don't know what my position on this kind of thing is. Is it better that everyone just accepts that there is no originality in this world so we can just get on with things, or is it too much fun to make claims to originality just to wind others up?? I can't decide.

 

[Denny Oubidoux]

Can it not be derivative and original at the same time? Hook me up with some examples of Bo Diddley sounding like VU!

 

[Burgerbarbaby]

I honestly don't know what my position on this kind of thing is. Is it better that everyone just accepts that there is no originality in this world so we can just get on with things, or is it too much fun to make claims to originality just to wind others up?? I can't decide

Interesting. I wasn't doing a windup there, clearly, just slapping a bit of hyperbolix under a good link. If this had been 20 years ago I might have enjoyed a good punchup to try and parse the DNA and heritage of the VU, and stick to my guns about their originality, maybe learn something on the way. The thought of doing it now though fills me with a nameless dread, both because I know less about music now, and I am small of brain. And, most importantly, because I am sick to my teeth of those kind of conversations. I'll say this much: Synthesis through one's own unique creative process is inevitably to some degree original, even if you're trying really hard not to be original. There's lots of originality in the world.

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[Kermit McDermott]

The velvet underground and....

 

[Lili Marlene]

Can it not be derivative and original at the same time?

Absolutely. Like Burgerbarbaby's post above says.

Hook me up with some examples of Bo Diddley sounding like VU!

Eh... TLDR: he doesn't actually.

HOWEVER: I believe we discussed in this thread several years ago that Moe Tucker was a big Bo Diddley fan so ALL OF THEIR DRUMS, and then his general percussive, tremelo-y guitar style was a massive influence on everything strange that came after, from Captain Beefheart to Nick Cave to Pere Ubu, basically that entire American weirdness movement. Anyway, it's all there in the original Bo Diddley track, bearing in mind it was 1955.

He doesn't have the educated, avant-garde art side of Velvet Underground (the John Cale bit?) or the pop art of Andy Warhol knocking around so his more drony, one chord sound came naturally rather than as a compositional comment, ultimately he's firmly rooted in the blues.

 

[Cornu Ammonis]

Moe Tucker was a big Bo Diddley fan so ALL OF THEIR DRUMS

What I actually said was:

She was a massive Bo Diddley fan and based a lot of her percussion on that of the Nigerian percussionist Babatunde Olatunji:

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, MARLENE!

 

[Diumraid]

Originality and ownership belong to the idea of music as a commodity. The VU are part of a story that did not begin with them and is far from over. They were a seismic event though ... mind-blowingly large. My hype comment is that their influence and worth can't be overstated.