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All bullshit and propaganda aside - press ganging folks to be canon fodder in a failing war is one of the things that bring autocratic regimes down?? (Not in isolation admittedly)
Allegedly he's not gathering people from Moscow or St Petersburg etc, he's going to the shitty poor areas of Russia, the territories on the edge.

The idea is that the only people he has to really keep from ballsing things up with are these fairly affluent central types. Russia is so insanely massive, and disjointed, he can herd up them outer lads and nobody is really going to know or care hugely.
 

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All bullshit and propaganda aside - press ganging folks to be canon fodder in a failing war is one of the things that bring autocratic regimes down?? (Not in isolation admittedly)
Did the British Empire fall when every able-bodied man living on the coast was press-ganged into the navy to fight Napoleon? It did not.

The idea that the common people of Russia will depose Putin if things get bad enough is a fantasy. Did they depose Stalin? Did the Germans depose Hitler? Did the Koreans depose Kim Jong-un?
 

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Did the British Empire fall when every able-bodied man living on the coast was press-ganged into the navy to fight Napoleon? It did not.

The idea that the common people of Russia will depose Putin if things get bad enough is a fantasy. Did they depose Stalin? Did the Germans depose Hitler? Did the Koreans depose Kim Jong-un?

true - I was being a bit glib. probably thinking more of the Romanovs to be honest

Would agree its hard to see him being brought down by a popular revolt - thats for sure.
 

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Did the British Empire fall when every able-bodied man living on the coast was press-ganged into the navy to fight Napoleon? It did not.

The idea that the common people of Russia will depose Putin if things get bad enough is a fantasy. Did they depose Stalin? Did the Germans depose Hitler? Did the Koreans depose Kim Jong-un?

those poor Russian lads arent going to be trained up to being top soldiers. theyll be picked off easily enough id hope bythe Ukranians
 

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I assume if this does de-legitimize Putin, which seems to be a genuine risk, he'll lose power in a very 21st century way we haven't thought of.

There's a war going on though so who knows what the reality is, or how many competing realities are currently in the air.
 

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Did the British Empire fall when every able-bodied man living on the coast was press-ganged into the navy to fight Napoleon? It did not.

The idea that the common people of Russia will depose Putin if things get bad enough is a fantasy. Did they depose Stalin? Did the Germans depose Hitler? Did the Koreans depose Kim Jong-un?

The lads did come home from WW2 and promptly voted Churchill out though.
 

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So. It looks like we're gonna do it then? Nuclear war?

We will not back down, Putin is a bully and bullies can't win. He's not gonna back down, and he's gonna nuke someone because everyone says he's too chicken to do it.

This is our actual civilization?

Like, is it fucking telling that it took the last generation of people conscripted into a world war to die off before we decided that our wounded ego is more important than mass death on an unimaginable scale??

Stay tuned to find out.
 

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this is the lad I posted up before, a few months ago.



edit - he predicted Putin would ratchet things up to make it look like he was going to start a nuclear war, basically to rustle jimmies. Keep jiggling things, and see what transpires.
 

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