The Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 Viewer)

Deadmanposting

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Nobody here believes the Russians attacked Ukraine because of their very real Nazi problem.

A lot of people keep bringing it up like it's relevant to Russian aggression though

When it's clearly not

But it is the Kremlin's major lie here, so it is helpful to see where people's sympathies lie, I suppose
 

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and it happens in every war
Happens in every war to some degree.
But when it's a weapon of war - sanctioned either explicitly or implicitly - it's a different matter.

What we are getting here - from all these reports - is an ongoing targeting of the civilian population for rape and murder.


RIA Novosti echoed Putin saying “Ukrainians are an artificial anti-Russian construct.”
The policy is that “Ukraine’s political elite must be eliminated.”
Ordinary Ukrainians are “passive Nazis” who “must experience all the horrors of war and absorb the experience as a historical lesson and atonement for their guilt.”
“De-Nazification will inevitably also be a de-Ukrainization,”
The aim being “total purification.”

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Hard to read de-Ukrainisation as anything other than genocide really.
 

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good read/analysis, as ever caveat emptor in terms of potential biases


germany decided to send tanks today. seems like they’re convinced that they can actually defeat putin militarily, otherwise they wouldn’t risk doing it. but that also more-or-less implies that the whole of donbas will basically be on fire for the rest of the year at least. grim grim grim.
 

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germany decided to send tanks today. seems like they’re convinced that they can actually defeat putin militarily, otherwise they wouldn’t risk doing it. but that also more-or-less implies that the whole of donbas will basically be on fire for the rest of the year at least. grim grim grim.


The statement form Austin or Blinken (can't remember which) to the extent that they want to weaken Russia militarily was telling....
 

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here’s the leak ahead of the official announcement. nato fans dancing in the street, etc



How is this different to the supplying Ukraine that's been going on up to now? The tank killer rockets etc.

Or was that people like the Poles etc and Germany hasn't given any actual military aid yet?
 

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How is this different to the supplying Ukraine that's been going on up to now? The tank killer rockets etc.

Or was that people like the Poles etc and Germany hasn't given any actual military aid yet?

up until now, germany has been *extremely* reluctant to give serious weapons to the ukrainians. so, while the US and UK (and poland and plenty of other countries) have been giving them rockets and stuff, the germans have basically been hanging back, desperate for any excuse to try to slow things down.

various reasons: german reliance on russian gas (now a sudden real serious problem), german war guilt (german weapons killing russian soldiers again), SPD commitment to “wandel durch handel” (“change through trade” — i.e., slowly reforming russia through the power of german economic ties), germany’s previous attempts to assert an semi-independent foreign policy separate from NATO (nord stream 2 — now dead — and other similar initiatives), and just generally not wanting a serious war that can escalate in very unpredictable ways
 

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I've been looking round for overall summaries of whats happening on the ground militarily.

this is very very detailed in places .

 

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