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Ukraine Opens Russian Drone, Finds Canon DSLR Inside
Ukraine has taken apart a crashed Russian spy drone, revealing that it uses an ordinary entry-level Canon DSLR camera for photography.
this is total bullshit, and it’s a bit depressing that it zipped around social media so instantly. plenty of people are extremely eager to have a stick to hit poor old noam with.
if you look at the actual interview this is taken from, chomsky was speaking about *zelensky* — the actual president of actual ukrainians. chomsky’s point is not that *he* wants to impose this on ukrainians — it’s that *zelensky* has already indicated that these points are all going to have to be negotiated eventually.
maybe chomsky could have worded this more diplomatically. maybe he should have picked a different way to emphasise his points. whatever. but his basic point is: will this be ended by negotiation? or will it be ended by russia and nato steadily grinding ukraine to dust? it’s a horrific choice, but it’s a real one for the president of ukraine to make. and, of course, the nato-brain liberals are only too happy to turn it upside-down and say this is chomsky the surrender-monkey selling out the brave ukrainians.
here’s the interview:
theintercept.com
if you look at the actual interview this is taken from, chomsky was speaking about *zelensky* — the actual president of actual ukrainians. chomsky’s point is not that *he* wants to impose this on ukrainians — it’s that *zelensky* has already indicated that these points are all going to have to be negotiated eventually.
maybe chomsky could have worded this more diplomatically. maybe he should have picked a different way to emphasise his points. whatever. but his basic point is: will this be ended by negotiation? or will it be ended by russia and nato steadily grinding ukraine to dust? it’s a horrific choice, but it’s a real one for the president of ukraine to make. and, of course, the nato-brain liberals are only too happy to turn it upside-down and say this is chomsky the surrender-monkey selling out the brave ukrainians.
here’s the interview:
Noam Chomsky and Jeremy Scahill on the Russia-Ukraine War, the Media, Propaganda, and Accountability
Noam Chomsky spoke with The Intercept’s Jeremy Scahill in a wide-ranging discussion on Russia’s war in Ukraine, the media, propaganda, and accountability.
theintercept.com
yeah, i was half torn between posting it in this thread and the twitter spat thread.
ah yeah, fair enough, it seems like it’s today’s scrap-of-the-day ukraine sub-topic
in other news, this was a bit eye-opening. nato and the EU are basically laying the groundwork for organised crime to have easy access to advanced weapons, and some people are starting to get a bit freaked out
what's the general handling of this story in germany, taubstumm?
www.irishtimes.com
David McWilliams: Germany has sealed Ukraine’s fate. Putin’s gamble has paid off
Berlin refuses to make it prohibitively expensive for Putin’s Russia to kill people
basically that merkel fucked up back in 2011 by shutting down the nuclear plants, and that germany is in a big ol geopolitical pants-falling-down kind of situation for the next couple of years at least
the rosier interpretation is that it will be a huge help towards decarbonising german industry over the next decade or so, but... that’s not much help right now
the rosier interpretation is that it will be a huge help towards decarbonising german industry over the next decade or so, but... that’s not much help right now
Cheers - listened to interview with Chomsky and there's a few new insights on recent events e.g. the oil industry and arms industry loving the war. but most of this he has been consistantly correct on for years.this is total bullshit, and it’s a bit depressing that it zipped around social media so instantly. plenty of people are extremely eager to have a stick to hit poor old noam with.
if you look at the actual interview this is taken from, chomsky was speaking about *zelensky* — the actual president of actual ukrainians. chomsky’s point is not that *he* wants to impose this on ukrainians — it’s that *zelensky* has already indicated that these points are all going to have to be negotiated eventually.
maybe chomsky could have worded this more diplomatically. maybe he should have picked a different way to emphasise his points. whatever. but his basic point is: will this be ended by negotiation? or will it be ended by russia and nato steadily grinding ukraine to dust? it’s a horrific choice, but it’s a real one for the president of ukraine to make. and, of course, the nato-brain liberals are only too happy to turn it upside-down and say this is chomsky the surrender-monkey selling out the brave ukrainians.
here’s the interview:
Noam Chomsky and Jeremy Scahill on the Russia-Ukraine War, the Media, Propaganda, and Accountability
Noam Chomsky spoke with The Intercept’s Jeremy Scahill in a wide-ranging discussion on Russia’s war in Ukraine, the media, propaganda, and accountability.
also the end Chomsky speaks of the kind of 'are you for Roy Keane or are you for Mick McCarthy' mentality, where questioning the narrative on the war is seen as being anti Ukraine/pro Putin.
I remember in 1999 seeing Harold Pinter on TV speaking at protest against the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia in Trafalgar Square but there were only a few thousand people there.
at the time people thought if they oppsed the bombing it would look like they were against Kosovo.
this is a very old state tactic and Chomsky gives numerous examples.
Ukraine Opens Russian Drone, Finds Canon DSLR Inside
Ukraine has taken apart a crashed Russian spy drone, revealing that it uses an ordinary entry-level Canon DSLR camera for photography.petapixel.com
UTM keeps talking about this aspect of russian military.
A USA drone will be custom millon dollar stuff, bespoke, too good for the public parts.
A russian drone can be made by someone who was throwing together argos furniture using parts from tesco.
One of these approaches is sustainable in a war of attrition.
He's been in most russian tanks and mig 29s. He was saying if you can drive a tractor you can drive a russian tank or plane, so no need for military schooling, just straight out the door ready to go stuff.
Yeah, there's that hoary old chestnut of the Americans spending millions designing a pen that could work in space and the Russians just shrugged and said 'we shall use a pencil'
(you don't want to use a pencil in space if you can help it)
(you don't want to use a pencil in space if you can help it)
Russia has always had that philosophy. The pencil one is apocryphal, as @magicbastarder pointed out, if you've got loads of graphite floating around in a space craft you're going to short everything out and die. But it's always been get something out, fast, that works well enough to get the job done this week. Then work on making it better by watching how it fails. Cuts out PR, advertising, personalities, cushy dinner and drinks. How does it break? Fix that.
The Brits (?) did the same thing with returning aircraft from Germany. Look at where the bullet holes were, and if the planes managed to fly home with bullets in those areas you can ignore it. Look at where the bullet holes weren't, and toughen those bits. (Since the planes that were shot in those spots are in a field in Germany somewhere.) But yeah, ignore everything except actual real world use cases. Leave all the ugly shitty fixes in place until they break.
It's how I write software too now that I've written the above. Slap some shit together to give to users, and then make the shit less shit two weeks later. In software it's called "Agile" which is bollocks marketing speak for what the Russians have been doing since before WWII.
i shall tell the agile PMs in work they're commies.
The only issue with this from the Russians perspective is that they possibly weren’t paying Argos prices…
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Is that because of the loose bits of carbon floating around the spaceship might be a bad idea?
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this is total bullshit, and it’s a bit depressing that it zipped around social media so instantly. plenty of people are extremely eager to have a stick to hit poor old noam with.
if you look at the actual interview this is taken from, chomsky was speaking about *zelensky* — the actual president of actual ukrainians. chomsky’s point is not that *he* wants to impose this on ukrainians — it’s that *zelensky* has already indicated that these points are all going to have to be negotiated eventually.
maybe chomsky could have worded this more diplomatically. maybe he should have picked a different way to emphasise his points. whatever. but his basic point is: will this be ended by negotiation? or will it be ended by russia and nato steadily grinding ukraine to dust? it’s a horrific choice, but it’s a real one for the president of ukraine to make. and, of course, the nato-brain liberals are only too happy to turn it upside-down and say this is chomsky the surrender-monkey selling out the brave ukrainians.
here’s the interview:
Noam Chomsky and Jeremy Scahill on the Russia-Ukraine War, the Media, Propaganda, and Accountability
Noam Chomsky spoke with The Intercept’s Jeremy Scahill in a wide-ranging discussion on Russia’s war in Ukraine, the media, propaganda, and accountability.
Yeah, I don't see a whole lot incorrect with what Chomsky is saying, the framing is pure Twitter sensationalism
This guy is very close to what Chomsky seems to be saying
Stephen Walt, a Realist (thinking about world affairs that is founded on the vital interests of nation state, like security and survival - is the best description I could find)
Not too kind about the US/West/Nato role here, and for an American, not too generous about US foreign policy overall
It's interesting to listen to something about this that is completely neutral - his only interest is in a world that works
They are called astronauts.
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