- Apr 18, 2006
I've seen them twice since the reunion & thought the exact same thing. Dissapointing.Everyone was giving it socks except Frank Black who was just a black hole of phoning it in, a bizarre sight to see the front person wishing they weren't there while everyone else is having loads of fun. Maybe it's just his stage persona though, IDK
I saw him with Frank Black and the Catholics and he looked like he was having a whale of a time....Everyone was giving it socks except Frank Black who was just a black hole of phoning it in, a bizarre sight to see the front person wishing they weren't there while everyone else is having loads of fun. Maybe it's just his stage persona though, IDK
Actually the Mothers of Invention moonlighted as a soul band, for example on Nolan Porters first album.Zappa
Basically all the 70s jazz-rock stuff that didn't have the decency to go full prog and was too self-conscious to try and do soul.
I only like about 20% of Zappa's stuff:I've gone off Zappa in my old age. Some of it is still class but the shitty humour does nothing for me
Also his work ethic is a wonderful thing. He essentially fired his band almost annually and people had to re-audition to do another tour. No booze/drugs on tour. Actually i think most of his lyrics that are now problematic would be referring pretty directly to his contemporaries that probably would have driven him crazy on shared bills.Frank Zappa wanted to use backup singers on the songs "I'm the Slime", "Dirty Love", "Zomby Woof", "Dinah-Moe Humm" and "Montana". His road manager suggested The Ikettes, and Ike & Tina Turner were contacted. Ike Turner insisted that Zappa pay the singers, including Tina Turner, no more than $25 per song. However, an invoice shows that they were actually paid $25 per hour, and in total $187.50 each for 7 1/2 hours of service. During the recording sessions at Bolic Sound, Tina brought Ike into the studio to hear the highly difficult middle section of "Montana" which had taken the Ikettes a few days to learn and master. Ike listened to the tape and responded "What is this shit?" before leaving the studio. Ike later insisted that Zappa not credit the Ikettes on the released album.
posted on this:I went to this show. Can't believe I found it here after all these years. You have no idea how much a relief Frank Zappa was from the US Bicentennial being celebrated ad nauseum around the country and all over the media in 1976. The disco scene was going strong...Christ...For a young guy like me at the time, getting the sense that there were artists like Frank, who sneered at the establishment with irony and humor, was one of the things that kept me going and not falling into despair. Jack Kerouac helped a lot, too. Music, Art, and Literature have gotten me through some of the toughest times, and they're still doing it today. Thanks, Frank.
Yeah i get that - I just think a lot of it is great art. The few live ones i posted above (not black napkins thats a 20 minute solo with overtone singing) you can kinda get a feel for the sillyness of it all, which probably comes across more like sneering on the records. I think live is where its at with zappa generally.No doubt he had amazing skills and prolific output and productivity but zero of them are a requirement for good art.
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