Referendum 2012: It's On (1 Viewer)

[Deadmanposting]

Not trying to have a go. I only just registered here.
It's just how I feel on the issue.

 

[Psycho Punk]

Not trying to have a go. I only just registered here.
It's just how I feel on the issue.

Ah, fine. If you make an extreme intervention then you'll get an extreme response.

I'm not that long here myself.

 

[Deadmanposting]

Bertie made me do it

 

[Psycho Punk]

People could have rented. No one forced anyone to buy.

The middle class partied like motherfuckers. I saw them.

Listen, I'm for the Tribunals. Money well spent. My point about them is that no one paid attention to them.
There was no outrage. Everyone's marching on the Dail and righteously outraged now when it's hitting them in the pocket. They didn't care when we were on easy street.

By 'all the media' you must mean the Indo and Herald, then fine, we have an electorate operating at the behest of Tony O'Reilly. Which is the same as saying people that are too stupid to govern themselves.

Is it a crime for ordinary people to buy? Was it a crime to feel that it was time to buy? All of the media were blaring out that house prices were going to rise, rise, rise.

How many of the middleclass did you observe? Only a tiny percentage of ordinary people partied. I'm talking about nurses, teachers, civil servants, technicians.

People did care, the Left raised it but were ignored. Ordinary people didn't cause this crisis. The we all partied line is used by the spindoctors of the rich. Don't fall for it.

Make the rich pay.

The political system allowed O'Reilly to own so many papers, ordinary people didn't. Voters elected TDs, how many peoplke said: make sure O'Reilly controls all the papers?

Not just the Indo & herald, also the Sindo & Sunday World and a host of regional papers. All of those were pushing the message that house prices would always go up and Bertie was King. The Irish Times criticised bertie but even it was muted on house prices.

On RTE & TV3 the vast majority of pundits pushed a certain line. Only an isolated few suggested the bubble would burst.

Given this surround of opinion, people weren't stupid, they were systematically starved of alternative opinions.

You seem to enjoy the idea of ordinary people suffering under the jackboot of Berlin and Brussells.

Wouldn't it be better and fairer if the rich paid more?

 

[Psycho Punk]

Good news! Ms Merkle has gotten a payrise! 5.7%, its now €289,986 pa.

 

[Deadmanposting]

You seem to enjoy the idea of ordinary people suffering under the jackboot of Berlin and Brussells.

G'wanourradat now

 

[Psycho Punk]

G'wanourradat now

You're looking forward to an EU Occupation Government running the country.

I'm posing the alternative of making the rich pay their share.

 

[Deadmanposting]

You're looking forward to an EU Occupation Government running the country.

I'm posing the alternative of making the rich pay their share.

No occupation or 'jackboots' (ha!). They'd run things remotely.

Europe's the best thing that's ever happened to us.

Have you ever been to Germany? It's distinctly unshit, in a way that Ireland is not.

 

[Psycho Punk]

No occupation or 'jackboots' (ha!). They'd run things remotely.

Europe's the best thing that's ever happened to us.

Have you ever been to Germany? It's distinctly unshit, in a way that Ireland is not.

I'm not against the EU.

I'm opposed to the EU controlling Ireland.

I've been to Germany but I'm more likely to hang out in punk shebeens in Berlin.

Disturbing thing is that even punks wait at the pedestrian crossings, even if theres no cars comimg.

 

[Deadmanposting]

I'm opposed to the EU controlling Ireland.

I'm all for it.

Disturbing thing is that even punks wait at the pedestrian crossings, even if theres no cars comimg.

Sets a good example for the kids supposedly.

 

[Psycho Punk]

The People’s Movement launched their campaign for a No Vote in the upcoming Fiscal Treaty at a press conference today in the Shelbourne Hotel, Dublin.

Speaking at the launch, Thomas Pringle TD outlined the inadequacy of the European Stability Mechanism (ESM), saying it would “sign-up the Irish people to the biggest socialisation of bank debt across Europe. Article 15 of the ESM states that ‘The ESM may decide to grant loans for the specific purpose of recapitalisation of the financial institutions of the ESM member’. Why the Government wants to sign us up to the biggest socialisation of bank debt across Europe is a mystery to me.”

The ESM Bill which was published last week, in effect, legalises our bank guarantee in Europe. If a member needs to recapitalise their banks, the funding will be lent to the member state and paid on to the bank – therefore the banking debt becomes the taxpayer debt.

Adding further, Deputy Pringle said “As it stands, the ESM could, if Ireland were to be subject to it, call on Ireland to make contributions of up to €11.1 billion in various forms of capital. In effect, it the ESM can direct the State to raise sovereign debt, give the money so raised to it and can decide where, when, whether and how it is spent. This is utterly nonsensical.”

Mick O'Reilly of Dublin Trades Council also spoke, saying the Government is not trying to frighten people in the referendum, but rather has stepped up a gear and is trying to terrify them.

Luke ‘Ming’ Flanagan TD criticised the government’s subjective information leaflet which subtly suggest voting yes by insinuating there is only one way, adding “if I had not read anything else, I would be tempted to vote yes but thankfully I have.” Former MEP, Patricia McKenna and Robert Ballagh were both in agreement with Deputy Flanagan with Ballagh calling on the government to “withdraw this duplicitous document.”

Over the next two weeks, the People’s Movement will embark on a national campaign for a no vote consisting of; a series of public meetings across the country, the distribution of 120,000 newspapers and 500,000 leaflets.

The People's Movement campaigns against any measures that further develop the EU into a federal super-state and works to defend and enhance popular sovereignty, democracy and social justice in Ireland.

http://www.people.ie

 

[pete]

vincent browne show completely confusing me again. more.

 

[Psycho Punk]

vincent browne show completely confusing me again. more.

Just remember: Culchie Cannibals will over-run Dublin if theres a Yes vote. The Button Factory will be taken over by Comhaltas Ceoltóirí Éireann. The IFI will only show The Riordans and Glenroe. Cornacopia will be forced to serve tripe and drisheen.

 

[shower another shower]

This ain't about Europe running Ireland. It's consent to sell Ireland to the banks at a knock down price through eventual foreclosure.
You can't borrow your way out of debt.
Default now. Write down or write off the loans altogether as they were fraudulent to begin with. All they are is ones and zeros anyhow. It's not like the Euro is backed by anything anyway. Fiat currency. Money is debt.

 

[rettucs]

I'm gonna wait til Bressie gives his take on it. Then I'll decide

 

[Unicron]

Just remember: Culchie Cannibals will over-run Dublin if theres a Yes vote. The Button Factory will be taken over by Comhaltas Ceoltóirí Éireann. The IFI will only show The Riordans and Glenroe. Cornacopia will be forced to serve tripe and drisheen.

I'm a bogger that eats meat, you are doing your cause no good with that sort of talk.

Oui/Ja/Yes!

 

[Psycho Punk]

I'm a bogger that eats meat, you are doing your cause no good with that sort of talk.

Oui/Ja/Yes!

Ah but that was my Dublin broadcast.

My one for the Midlands warns them that Dublin skangers will descend on the place, stop them from cutting turf and will shag their favourite sheep.

Non! Nein! No!

 

[Psycho Punk]

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[Unicron]

Ah but that was my Dublin broadcast.

My one for the Midlands warns them that Dublin skangers will descend on the place, stop them from cutting turf and will shag their favourite sheep.

Non! Nein! No!

 

[IFF]

The People’s Movement launched their campaign for a No Vote in the upcoming Fiscal Treaty at a press conference today in the Shelbourne Hotel, Dublin.

Speaking at the launch, Thomas Pringle TD outlined the inadequacy of the European Stability Mechanism (ESM), saying it would “sign-up the Irish people to the biggest socialisation of bank debt across Europe. Article 15 of the ESM states that ‘The ESM may decide to grant loans for the specific purpose of recapitalisation of the financial institutions of the ESM member’. Why the Government wants to sign us up to the biggest socialisation of bank debt across Europe is a mystery to me.”

The ESM Bill which was published last week, in effect, legalises our bank guarantee in Europe. If a member needs to recapitalise their banks, the funding will be lent to the member state and paid on to the bank – therefore the banking debt becomes the taxpayer debt.

Adding further, Deputy Pringle said “As it stands, the ESM could, if Ireland were to be subject to it, call on Ireland to make contributions of up to €11.1 billion in various forms of capital. In effect, it the ESM can direct the State to raise sovereign debt, give the money so raised to it and can decide where, when, whether and how it is spent. This is utterly nonsensical.”

Mick O'Reilly of Dublin Trades Council also spoke, saying the Government is not trying to frighten people in the referendum, but rather has stepped up a gear and is trying to terrify them.

Luke ‘Ming’ Flanagan TD criticised the government’s subjective information leaflet which subtly suggest voting yes by insinuating there is only one way, adding “if I had not read anything else, I would be tempted to vote yes but thankfully I have.” Former MEP, Patricia McKenna and Robert Ballagh were both in agreement with Deputy Flanagan with Ballagh calling on the government to “withdraw this duplicitous document.”

Over the next two weeks, the People’s Movement will embark on a national campaign for a no vote consisting of; a series of public meetings across the country, the distribution of 120,000 newspapers and 500,000 leaflets.

The People's Movement campaigns against any measures that further develop the EU into a federal super-state and works to defend and enhance popular sovereignty, democracy and social justice in Ireland.

http://www.people.ie

wow,
people.ie was an available web address