Racism in Ireland (3 Viewers)

[Cormcolash]

David Baddiel is the worst kind of unfunny, smug, middle class prick.
a Paddy comedian wouldn't get away with doing this skit on British Jewish folks.
having said that I watched this the night it was first broadcast and was surprised how much
the Irish media got upset about it afterwards - not really worth making a fuss over.

fuck Baddiel and Skinner's not much better.

Apu was always a blind spot in The Simpsons. his accent, culture and religion were
all repeatedly mocked in a way I didn't see happening with any other characters.
the story line where his wife had about 8 kids in one birth was a huge low point in the show.
the only defense is that there weren't many other immigrant characters on The Simpsons.

I still see a lot of this type of crap on Nickelodeon in recent years -
e.g. an unpleasant restaurant owner called Mrs. Wong has a strong Asian accent (Thundermans).

a few years ago my nephews were watching the 90's Disney movie Aladdin which was so
racist I had to start telling them what wrong with it during the movie.

Phoenix From The Flames was always fuckin class really. I also saw that skit when it was first broadcast, and was pissing myself laughing at it then too. You are pretty much right about Baddiel and Skinner, but that show was very funny at times, for football fans. And Baddiel took the piss out of Judaism on it too, gotta give kudos for that.

I guess you're right about Apu when it comes to the religion and that too, although they did take the piss out of eg. Scientology as well. But then there's no comparison between the two, saying that I have two Indian mates who just think as I do, being that The Simpsons from seasons 2-12 ish is amazing including most of the Apu stuff. You are correct that when they actually started to give him more of a 'story' it got shitter very quickly, I wonder if that 8 kids crap was actually the beginning of the show gradually turning to total shit, it started around the time things started going downhill. The wife and 8 kids crap was pretty fucking dire for sure.

I wonder if the Seinfeld Soup Nazi would be considered offensive now.

 

[Cormcolash]

Lads,

it's almost as if soccerball and dialy mial and tiwtter attract a certain type of idiot.

I am picking up, and I don't know how to say this without pissing somebody off, but it seems people are ranking Irishness with being Irish from Ireland and being Irish living in England or the USA or wherever, and all the ambiguities that go with all that. It's a quagmire to get into. The same could be said for Baddiel being a North London Jewish guy, or Skinner being a faux-Brummie working down in that fancy London.

I think the Irish immigrant experience is worthy of consideration in the broader Irish experience. Be that Houghton or McGowan or even Whitey fuckin Bolger.

I dunno, I'm getting a bad vibe. The other thing I'll say is that the most outright racist abuse I've experienced, here, home or elsewhere, has always come from other Irish people.


I think we are (and I say "we" intentionally), should be smarter than all that shite.

WELL I THINK ALL YOU IRISH BASTARDS SHOULD GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM!

 

[Kermit McDermott]

I'm a big fan of old British 60s & 70s TV shows & films. Theres every kind of isms in there. Even the stupid paddy thing. Doesn't bother me.

Maybe the Benny hill show de sensitized me

 

[seanc]

WELL I THINK ALL YOU IRISH BASTARDS SHOULD GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM!

I could write a thousand words. But instead: FFS.
I expect more of my Thumpedicons or even my Thumpedobots. And yes I am throwing a different cultural reference in the hope of moving things along, because this shit is going nowhere.

 

[Cormcolash]

Don't be making a mountain out of a molehill now. All I've been pointing out is that there's still a lot of anti-Irish shit going on that isn't being addressed to anywhere near the same extent as some other forms of racism, but hey it's not a competition. My main point is always eat the rich.

 

[seanc]

..

 

[magicbastarder]

there's still a lot of anti-Irish shit going on that isn't being addressed to anywhere near the same extent as some other forms of racism

the irish are the blacks of europe, innit?

 

[nuke terrorist]

Lads,

it's almost as if soccerball and dialy mial and tiwtter attract a certain type of idiot.

I am picking up, and I don't know how to say this without pissing somebody off, but it seems people are ranking Irishness with being Irish from Ireland and being Irish living in England or the USA or wherever, and all the ambiguities that go with all that. It's a quagmire to get into. The same could be said for Baddiel being a North London Jewish guy, or Skinner being a faux-Brummie working down in that fancy London.

I think the Irish immigrant experience is worthy of consideration in the broader Irish experience. Be that Houghton or McGowan or even Whitey fuckin Bolger.

I dunno, I'm getting a bad vibe. The other thing I'll say is that the most outright racist abuse I've experienced, here, home or elsewhere, has always come from other Irish people.


I think we are (and I say "we" intentionally), should be smarter than all that shite.

sorry, if I helped derail this by bringing up the abuse of James McLean.
didn't think it would garner much comment.

just don't bring up Baddiel again.

 

[ernesto]

She sure as shit didn't grow up middle class - council house, one of 8 kids, left school at 11

she's still seems like an arsehole though;
Being friends with Michael Gove isn't a good look

 

[egg_]

I read one of her books, and really liked it and her

... but if you want to be a judgmental prick who decides what people are like based on what they work at and who they know, then go right ahead

 

[Space]

I read one of her books, and really liked it and her

... but if you want to be a judgmental prick who decides what people are like based on what they work at and who they know, then go right ahead

If ya don't judge people by their actions and company they keep what do ya judge them on?

 

[egg_]

Judging someone by their profession is not the same as judging them by their actions

 

[Lili Marlene]

She's written some great stuff over the years.

She talks a lot about being a socialist but was firmly in the anti-Corbyn camp.

I think you can be ambivalent about these things.

 

[Space]

Judging someone by their profession is not the same as judging them by their actions

I'd hard disagree, it's the thing you do with most of your waking life like. How about rephrasing it as professional actions? Not that I have anything against Caitlin.

 

[Kermit McDermott]

not just middle class folks

(as Twitter never lets her forget)

So this was her tweet about the 2011 riots?

 

[Lili Marlene]

So this was her tweet about the 2011 riots?

that was her tweet DURING the 2011 riots

 

[Kermit McDermott]

Hmmm.
Its a tricky one because when these riots break out, in among the genuine protesters there are groups in the crowd who don't give a shit about the issue. they just want to throw rocks at the cops, set cars on fire and rob stuff.

 

[Lili Marlene]

Come on man, that's why they're riots. Only pricks who want nothing to change argue that you can riot in a correct and orderly fashion, because no riot will ever meet that standard.

 

[egg_]

I have no memory whatsoever of the 2011 riots. I googled them, read the wiki page, etc. Not ringing any bells at all

 

[seanc]

They were good craic. Changed nothing. This is a bizarre little turn this thread has taken for me.