if morrissey is the answer, what is the question?
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Which British pop star has done the most damage to legacy by opening his mouth?if morrissey is the answer, what is the question?
the IRFU can impose whatever the fuck rules they want, bunch of cunts, but we're allowed our opinions on them.The IRFU are right. What's next heavy weight boxing?
I'm not much of a sports fan but I'd watch rugby over soccer any day.
it must infuriate those who get exercised (pun unintended) about trans athletes, that if they tried a similar argument about the recent success of irish athletes breaking irish records - that if they tried the 'well, *their* families clearly aren't originally from ballyhaunis' argument, they'd be jumped on from a height.
If anyone wants to argue that allowing trans athletes compete in sport is unfair, I will happily listen to their argument and they may have good, coherent reasons for their belief (see Ross Tucker). I would not automatically assume them a terf/nazi.Rugby is a sport for cunts. No argument from me.
But the sex-based differences between men and women are most obvious in physical competition.
As this trans debate goes on, the sports issue will continue to get engagement because it's patently obvious to the wider public what the terms and stakes are. This is simply an easier thing to understand for most people, and fairness is an intuitive thing we look for as humans.
No matter what any organisation does, no matter how closely swimming or rugby studies the issue, or how many commitments they make to inclusion, and without any real limit on trans men competing, it's still the same response - anyone that disagrees with trans activists are transphobes, terfs and nazis.
There's the bromide/tenet/end-of statement that Trans Women Are Women, and if you disagree with that, you're a terf nazi
But because of the research and science on male puberty and its effect on bodies, no one is making that argument here, the argument is now "this only affects two players, so what's the big deal?".
Which at least tacitly accepts that trans women are not women in this particular case.
When you cede this obvious common sense ground - that there are physical differences between men and women that effect sports performance - you are on the opposite side of what is patently obvious to science and most fair-minded observers.
But you also allow idiots and hate-mongers in to camp on the common sense ground.
Then the argument becomes, "well, all the nazis disagree with me, I must be right"
It must infuriate the family of the woman raped by Danny Foley, that if they tried a similar argument about *her* being from the local area, it wouldn't matter a fuck.it must infuriate those who get exercised (pun unintended) about trans athletes, that if they tried a similar argument about the recent success of irish athletes breaking irish records - that if they tried the 'well, *their* families clearly aren't originally from ballyhaunis' argument, they'd be jumped on from a height.
Well, that’s exactly what I’m saying, kinda.If anyone wants to argue that allowing trans athletes compete in sport is unfair, I will happily listen to their argument and they may have good, coherent reasons for their belief (see Ross Tucker). I would not automatically assume them a terf/nazi.
However, the terfs/nazis are all over this issue and the platform they've been given by the IRFU (and others) is very damaging to the trans community, most of whom couldn't give a fiddlers about sport.
People being classed as terfs/nazis cos of reasons you outlined is a different topic of conversation. I'm not concerned with that. I'm concerned with the fact that an almost non-issue has been turned into something very damaging for trans folk.
it doesn't really matter, does it? Sport is all a load of bollox at the end of the day.That's what I'm saying.
Why not?
And yet it took great argument for women to be 'allowed' to have their own leagues in sport. It's cheap to you but it was fought for bitterly by women.it doesn't really matter, does it? Sport is all a load of bollox at the end of the day.
The whole argument is supposedly about fairness yet those who do qualify to participate will probably fucking cheat anyway to get an advantage.
Sport is almost a non-issue in this context. It has been blown way out of proportion.
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