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[ann post]

Uhhhh both flags are highly polticially charged and in the spirit of reconciliation a different flag could be considered?

But the time we made a flag that was specifically designed to include both communities, they invented gerrymandering and told us to fuck off.

It's only politically charged if you let the brits live rent free in your head btw.

 

[JohnnyRaz]

How so?

Because having a bit of orange on a flag Is unlikely to make them see it as anything other than a republican symbol.

That said I don’t think changing the flag to accommodate them would be in anyway a productive endeavour

 

[ann post]

I dunno lads

What you make of all this skirmish in ukraine? Those nazi ukrainians, best vladimir goes over and sorts them out. That flag of thiers will have to go too i guess, only a symbol for nazi's right?

 

[shitepipe]

I dunno lads

What you make of all this skirmish in ukraine? Those nazi ukrainians, best vladimir goes over and sorts them out. That flag of thiers will have to go too i guess, only a symbol for nazi's right?

TBH I don't really care, but I think if someone is really supportive of a united Ireland then it would be something that would be worth considering if it achieves that end.

edit: And I think many peoples negative reaction to the idea is illustrative of their idea of unification as a victory of one side over the other, rather than as a creation of a new unified state

 

[GARYXKNIFEDX]

It has nothing to do with a flag and everything to do with cunts.

 

[magicbastarder]

But the time we made a flag that was specifically designed to include both communities, they invented gerrymandering and told us to fuck off.

who's the 'we' who made the flag?

 

[shitepipe]

Flags are bollocks anyways. We should just have a Magnolia rectangle with Ireland written in Comic Sans. I think that would represent the whole island pretty well?

 

[JohnnyRaz]

I dunno lads

What you make of all this skirmish in ukraine? Those nazi ukrainians, best vladimir goes over and sorts them out. That flag of thiers will have to go too i guess, only a symbol for nazi's right?

That’s bollox.
Stating the unionists won’t feel included by the tricolour they see as a sectarian symbol is neither condoning that viewpoint or suggesting we should change the flag to accommodate them.

There’s a st Patrick’s cross on the Union Jack - how many nationalists ever felt included by that?

 

[ann post]

The idea of redisigning the Irish flag to that is already entirely designed to accomodate both traditions is fundamentally a unionist directed idea. TAnother fuck you to the Irish culture the english government has invested generations in wiping out. They'll still cover the kerbs in union jacks and march on the 12th. Unionists dont want to live in a democracy and have proven that countless times in northern ireland. You can redesign the flag 50 times and they still wont want to live in a democracy. The idea of redesigning it is just a side talk. Classic self depreciating irish talk. If the unionists were to look at the union jack as you lads are looking at the tricolour, taking in every atrocity that has been committed under it, they'd be painting themselves green white and gold, but they don't, because they aren't actually afraid to be proud of it. What glee you'd have in westminster to have that green white and gold never worn at a world cup, olympics, boxing match or tourist number plate. The atrocities that bother you all so much stem from a civil rights movement, from the idea that people wanted to win human rights. You'll talk out of one side on the ukraine thread and another on here. Get a grip like.

 

[magicbastarder]

nobody expected the northern ireland thread to actually turn into northern ireland...

 

[JohnnyRaz]

nobody expected the northern ireland thread to actually turn into northern ireland...

In my early 20s I swore to stop discussing the north and abortion with people - even if I agreed with them it’d end in an argument.

A few years later I joined thumped!

 

[ann post]

nobody expected the northern ireland thread to actually turn into northern ireland...

It's ok, it'll be back to conveniently ignoring it in a few days anywhoo.

 

[Deadmanposting]

It has nothing to do with a flag and everything to do with cunts.

It always comes down to the cunts

 

[magicbastarder]

Why is the Irish flag so commonly referred to as 'green white and gold' when it's quite specifically green white and orange?

 

[ann post]

alliteration.

 

[JohnnyRaz]

The idea of redisigning the Irish flag to that is already entirely designed to accomodate both traditions is fundamentally a unionist directed idea. TAnother fuck you to the Irish culture the english government has invested generations in wiping out. They'll still cover the kerbs in union jacks and march on the 12th. Unionists dont want to live in a democracy and have proven that countless times in northern ireland. You can redesign the flag 50 times and they still wont want to live in a democracy. The idea of redesigning it is just a side talk. Classic self depreciating irish talk. If the unionists were to look at the union jack as you lads are looking at the tricolour, taking in every atrocity that has been committed under it, they'd be painting themselves green white and gold, but they don't, because they aren't actually afraid to be proud of it. What glee you'd have in westminster to have that green white and gold never worn at a world cup, olympics, boxing match or tourist number plate. The atrocities that bother you all so much stem from a civil rights movement, from the idea that people wanted to win human rights. You'll talk out of one side on the ukraine thread and another on here. Get a grip like.

But the time we made a flag that was specifically designed to include both communities, they invented gerrymandering and told us to fuck off.

It's only politically charged if you let the brits live rent free in your head btw.

All flags are fucking politically charged. That’s kinda the point.

Flags can come to mean very different things to different people, and very different things than the people who designed them intended.

The free state was probably pretty far from what the young Irelanders envisioned when the flag was first created in the spirit of the united irishmens mantra.

Your dead on that the ‘troubles’ grew from a legitimate struggle against 50 odd years of unionist cuntage. But the fact yhat the tricolour was a symbol of the armed struggle gives them reason/excuse to reject it.

And again - you’ll never placate the hardline unionists with any flag yhat isn’t the Union Jack. So we’re agreed there at least (I think)

 

[taubstumm]

Why is the Irish flag so commonly referred to as 'green white and gold' when it's quite specifically green white and orange?

answer 1: poetic license
answer 2: poetic license as a way to overcome the cognitive dissonance of confronting the paradoxes of a symbol that was designed to explicitly include all prominent communities in the hopes of creating a civic form of republicanism based around french revolutionary ideals of liberty, equality, and fraternity, but that ended up being regarded by one of those communities as an adversarial imposition through the process of the postcolonial imposition of an unjust settlement based around a narrow form of ethnically-defined nationalism and accompanying national partition etc etc

 

[taubstumm]

The solution is obvious right?

add a hammer and sickle and clip art of bart simpson smoking a joint and we’re good to go

 

[JohnnyRaz]

add a hammer and sickle and clip art of bart simpson smoking a joint and we’re good to go

Needs a ‘no fear’ sticker to represent the boy racer midlander community

 

[taubstumm]

Needs a ‘no fear’ sticker to represent the boy racer midlander community

maybe a hand-drawn slayer logo too