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[billygannon]

Ah bollix....

If only people actually read up on what the EU is up to.

I'm going to start up my own country....

 

[Jimmy Magee]

Originally posted by billygannon
Nice will allow Germany, Spain, France, Britain and Italy to veto in areas that other countries are not allowed to. Therefore their citizens individually will hold more sway in European matters than a citizen of a country such as Cyprus. That's pretty clear and that is something called discrimination.

I'm going to keep re-iterating this veto point. That is what fundamentally creates the two-tier Europe.

Yes, I know it's all a bit late now, but I'm confused about this. Where is this veto? Council of Ministers? And in what areas do they have the veto?

 

[Speed Racer]

I voted NO. Seems like all my mates did too. But everyone I know who are my parents age voted YES (except for me Ma). Whats this tell us? MAKE PEOPLE SCARED TO VOTE AGAINST GOVERNMENT!! Well it clearly was a well spent victory.

YES vote= 1.7m euro
NO vote= 170,000 euro

!bog !bog !bog

 

[Dan]

Originally posted by Speed Racer
I voted NO. Seems like all my mates did too. But everyone I know who are my parents age voted YES (except for me Ma). Whats this tell us? MAKE PEOPLE SCARED TO VOTE AGAINST GOVERNMENT!! Well it clearly was a well spent victory.

YES vote= 1.7m euro
NO vote= 170,000 euro

!bog !bog !bog

What a load of bullshit!!! So you're saying its something to do with the generation gap or something? What the fuck are you saying exactly??? I know loads of people my age who voted yes and loads of people my folks age who voted no.

The amount of people who voted no remained the same as last time. The difference this time was that people who would have voted yes last time realised it was important that they vote, so they turned out to vote.

 

[#10-7]

i voted yes.
i researched it, and i'm happy with my vote.

chew it.

 

[Dan]

And it might surprise some of you that a lot of people felt passionately in favour of a yes vote....you don't feel that way because one side can afford more posters than the other.

You'd swear a gun was put to peoples heads when voting yes. I felt free to choose which way I wanted, and I voted yes.

 

[billygannon]

"(We need) genuine fiscal harmonisation in Europe. In an open, competitive Europe with a common currency, it is damaging for the French to always be taxed more than everyone else"

- French President Jacques Chirac, Le Monde, 7 March 2002


"(We need) the Europeanisation of everything to do with economic and financial policy"

- German Chancellor Gerhard Schroder,The Times, London, 22 February 2002


"A natural first step would be to harmonise the tax bases and to adopt minimum tax rates but the ultimate goal should be the creation of a European Corporate income tax whose proceeds would either finance the EU or be allocated to Member States. To get there, we may need QMV on tax matters relating to the single market: controversial in the UK perhaps, but a logical development"

- EU Trade Commissioner Pascal Lamy, Financial Times, 8 March 2002

"In the longer term I can imagine a Europe Tax. It strengthens spending discipline in Brussels if responsibility for expenditure and income is put together."

- Hans Eichel, German Finance Minister: Daily Telegraph, London, 29 December 2001


"We must now face the difficult task of moving towards a single economy, a single political entity. For the first time since the fall of the Roman Empire we have the opportunity to unite Europe."

- EU Commission President Romano Prodi, 13 October 1999


"It is my personal view that we eventually must go to qualified majority voting on the sensitive issue of taxes."

- German Finance Minister Oscar Lafontaine, 1 December 1998

 

[IFF]

i also voted yes

 

[Speed Racer]

Originally posted by Dan
What a load of bullshit!!! So you're saying its something to do with the generation gap or something? What the fuck are you saying exactly??? I know loads of people my age who voted yes and loads of people my folks age who voted no.

The amount of people who voted no remained the same as last time. The difference this time was that people who would have voted yes last time realised it was important that they vote, so they turned out to vote.

Its not bullshit. I stated something that actually happened. Out of alot of people I know who voted. Maybe its just a coincidence. But there you go. And scare tactics were used on both sides, but the YES side was more effective because they spent almost 10 times the money. Our taxes etc. on what they wanted. Thanks lads.

Anyway its all done now, we'll have to sit and wait for the massive profits and united european optimism to roll in. How long will it take 3 or 4 years? We're back in business. Hooray!! !bog

 

[Chocohead]

well, when ireland gets fucked up the ass over the next few years, we all know who to blame eh!

doh! I forgot .. this is the country who voted FF back in and ever since has been complaining about them.

 

[Sweet Jane]

Its also up to the other parties to work harder so that they can compete with Fianna Fail. Because lets face it, their isn't much of an opposition to Fianna Fail. The people need to someone else to vote for.

 

[IFF]

Originally posted by Chocohead
well, when ireland gets fucked up the ass over the next few years, we all know who to blame eh!

doh! I forgot .. this is the country who voted FF back in and ever since has been complaining about them.

i didn't vote for FF and even if i did have a vot ein the general election, i wouldn't have voted for FF as they are untrustworthy

the reason why i voted for yes was (and i echo the words of the fine Dublin West TD Joe Higgins of the Socialist Party here) that Coughlan and Barrett were deterents to vote for no, they did more to help the yes sid ein my opinion than to help the no side

their opinions on the nice treaty changed me from an anti-nice to pro-nice

anyway the EU have in the past done good for minority groups in ireland. in 1997, the dáil rejects an equalkity in employment for disabled people but then on basic human rights grounds, the EU make ireland legislate this which is a good thing so the EU is a watchdog for human rights

i'm rambling now

 

[Sweet Jane]

Justin Barrett was used by the government in conjunction with RTE to fuck up the NO campaign. What a hoot!


He is Rat-boy after all.

 

[Chocohead]

Originally posted by Sweet Jane
Its also up to the other parties to work harder so that they can compete with Fianna Fail. Because lets face it, their isn't much of an opposition to Fianna Fail. The people need to someone else to vote for.

In reality the people need to use their brains. no opposition to FF?? my pet dog is viable opposition to FF for gods sake.

Its laziness and a fear of change that has us voting in the same twats every year.

IFF - i wasnt trying to equate voting YES to voting FF, i was just trying to say a lot of the irish population has a tendancy to not think when it comes to voting and just believe what the most people tell them to believe