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[Denny Oubidoux]

I never really equate AMM with modern composition, to me they always feel closer to jazz in terms of approach but I can't really articulate why.

They don't compose their music

My favorite of theirs is Newfoundland, which is an amazing thing to have just made up on the spot

 

[hugh]

Am enjoying listening to all that Reich stuff but I can see D's point in that I imagine it can get a bit formulaic after a while.

By the way, listening to Electric Counterpoint right now and by God it's the Redneck Manifesto! I never copped before how much their whole plickety-plickety double guitar line thing comes from this.

I'm probably ready for the Riley or Young rundown now if Cornu (or anyone else) would like to oblige ;-)

 

[Cornu Ammonis]

Will sort you out later or tomorrow.

 

[Cornu Ammonis]

The Contemporary Classical Composer's Bullshit Generator

 

[Burgerbarbaby]

Hiya Hugh...
I'd like to add the main missing name here: Stockhausen. Gesang Der Junglinge, Kontakte, Stimmung...all wonderful, and that's only the tiniest toe dipped in the water of his vast output.
He's also got a great biog, completely out there.
With regards to Lamonte Young I don't think he's been sidelined...I think he has deliberately stayed in complete control of his output and his catalogue. I think he's much more exacting in terms of performance than the other so-called Minimalists, and hasn't felt the need to allow his work out to other ensembles the way Reich and the others have.
http://www.discogs.com/artist/32203-La-Monte-Young
That's Young's entire recorded output there, all great,especially The Well-Tuned Piano.
And since this conversation has come back to Glass/Reich/Adams a lot, this book is very enjoyable and useful for contextualising what you're currentlyinvestigating:
Amazon product ASIN 0521015014Also, since we're in Ireland, Roger Doyle's Rapid Eye Movements is great, top notch concrete.
And finally, I really like a guy called Michael Von Biel. I read about him when reading about Can, he was a big influence on them.

 

[Burgerbarbaby]

Two good things:

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[Unknown Convict]

I'm probably ready for the ... Young rundown now

don't get bitten too hard by the lamonte young bug - pricey: http://www.discogs.com/marketplace?sort=price&artist_id=32203&ev=ab&sort_order=desc

not sure tony conrad has been mentioned yet...

 

[Cornu Ammonis]

I was planning a big post-Young minimalism post about Conrad, Yoshi Wada, Pauline Oliveros, Niblock, etc.

 

[east hastings]

haven't listened to Metamorphosis in years, but this is for another thread

 

[Burgerbarbaby]

don't get bitten too hard by the lamonte young bug - pricey: http://www.discogs.com/marketplace?sort=price&artist_id=32203&ev=ab&sort_order=desc

Jesus Christ. I was in the Dream House a few times, if I had been braver I could have picked up the black album and the Well-Tuned Piano DVD for about a hundred dollars each. I went for the Tamburas Of Pandit Pran Nath for $20. And a tiny white-on-white Marian Zazeela postcard for $5, which I subsequently ruined by bleeding on. I never saw those Velvet Underground Appreciation Society cassettes before. They look amazing and irritating and expensive in equal measure.

The Tamburas Of Pandit Pran Nath is a static 80 minutes of two perfectly tuned tamburas playing one chord. They recorded 60 minutes and copied 20 minutes from that onto the end. There's a rumbling sound a couple of times on the recording, which for a long time I thought was an almost imperceptibly subtle musical payoff, until someone told me it was the rumble of trucks going by their building. I tried to play some of it between sets one night at a gig in Lazybird, lost a lot of the crowd.

 

[Burgerbarbaby]

I'm probably ready for the Riley or Young rundown now

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[Unknown Convict]

Jesus Christ. I was in the Dream House a few times, if I had been braver I could have picked up the black album and the Well-Tuned Piano DVD for about a hundred dollars each. I went for the Tamburas Of Pandit Pran Nath for $20.

same here, but i don't remember seeing the LP or DVD though (oct. 2002)

dream house was an amazing, immersive experience

 

[Unknown Convict]

lamonte young clip

"with a minimum of means" is also the title of a great comp that has the original recording of "i am sitting in a room" along with pieces by bjorn nilsson (after lamonte young) & zoltan jeney

http://www.discogs.com/Various-With-A-Minimum-Of-Means/release/759298

 

[Diumraid]

I never really equate AMM with modern composition, to me they always feel closer to jazz in terms of approach but I can't really articulate why.

AMM emerged from Jazz, yes, but they sounded like IRCAM / Stockhausen ... it's a way of doing and of listening that they have in common. It broke my heart when I heard Reich ragging on free-improv ... there is continuity, but it is fraught

 

[Burgerbarbaby]

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[Cornu Ammonis]

AMM emerged from Jazz, yes, but they sounded like IRCAM / Stockhausen ... it's a way of doing and of listening that they have in common.

I get where you're coming from but, as a case in point, John Tilbury doing Feldman versus Tilbury playing with AMM is like two different people. Two different musics. And in relation to Shaney's post that they're not composers because they don't compose, I don't really buy that either. Does writing a score that essentially says: "Improvise freely" (which many 20th Century composers have essentially done) make you a composer but going out and improvising freely makes you something else?

It broke my heart when I heard Reich ragging on free-improv ... there is continuity, but it is fraught

He's Reich as often as he's wrong.

 

[east hastings]

Here's some Sakamoto stuff

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[Unknown Convict]

John Tilbury doing Feldman versus Tilbury playing with AMM is like two different people. Two different musics.

tilbury playing feldman and cardew in the project arts centre at lunchtime on a saturday is still among my most vivid concert memories. stepping out into temple bar afterwards was a headfuck.

 

[hydromancer]

Music concreteish stuff ??

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[east hastings]

Doesn't really cover modern but yeah

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