Woah there. That's mad talk. What about A Certain Ratio's To Each?Hannett is a huge part of what makes Joy Division so good. Equally, they were the perfect band to bring out the best in him - these albums are head and shoulders above his other production jobs.
Do me one favour. Start with Sextet first. For me, even with the conspicuous production and vocal comparisons, To Each is amazing especially tracks like The Fox and Forced Laughter. But if you're coming at it from a bias against them, best to start with a non-Hannett produced one.I need to listen to ACR again. I listened to them back when I was teenager and totally immersed in the Joy Division/New Order story and I didn't like them.
Indie chart hits ?Do me one favour. Start with Sextet first. For me, even with the conspicuous production and vocal comparisons, To Each is amazing especially tracks like The Fox and Forced Laughter. But if you're coming at it from a bias against them, best to start with a non-Hannett produced one.
Then again, bah. Sextet is definitely free of the murk of Hannett. They seem more like a band coming out of the Bristol post-punk scene, Maximum Joy, Rip, Rig & Panic et al, which given their instrumental flavour is a better comparison than the starker Manchester scene.
They are a sincerely exotic proposition which makes To Each such a weird blend given the Hannett-handed production. Just those claustrophobic Jim Morrison in deep freeze vocals.... Were they, Hannett or Factory conspicuously pressing something there? Were they taking the piss out of Curtis? Was Hannett taking the piss out of everyone?
"This is something that only happens in the niiiiiight."
Impossible not to think of Curtis on Forced Laughter, but were they parodying the more literary merits of Curtis from the standpoint of being superior, more cerebral musicians?
Then again, the whole goth thing was in full swing by then?
I'm just surmising out loud. For me, post-punk culture is quite imbalanced in terms of who gets held up as iconic and representative of an "era", whilst loads of bands who lacked a commodifiable (sic) star quality or straight-up anthemic thrust get left to some obscure cult appeal at best.
Mark Stewart has as much genuine star appeal as Curtis and to be fair The Pop Group had the tunes. But only post-punk fanatics even know them...
Anyway, bizarrely ACR had three top ten hits in their post-punk heyday.
Cool, will check that compilation out when I get time.Indie chart hits ?
ACR from 1979-82 were amazing.
the 7" version of Knife Slits Water is one of the best things i've ever heard.
after '82 they made a conscious decision to move in a more commercial
less post punk direction.
did you get those two archive/compilation releases that came out since last
year on Mute ? they cover their whole career up to present day.
let me know what you think if you've heard them.
yep, i haven't got them yet.
at Sugar Club last year i hoped they would play more early material
but still it was very enjoyable. they're back there on November 2 2019.
might post some of Hannett's other work and some of Factory's lesser
known greats here when i get time.
POP GROUP are awesome too. even influenced BIRTHDAY PARTY.
they were on cover of NME they were still unknown and had a lot
good will towards them but refused to persue a conventional
when they played in Dublin a few years ago it spilled rain that
night and i didn't go sadly.
really like early MONOCHROME SET early stuff.
never got the credit for influencing a lot of better known bands.
Bid still an amazing looking guy.
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