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Message: [QUOTE="flashback, post: 1758777, member: 3123"] I built up a race Bianchi when I was about 17, and looked inside the frame. That was when I realised that I needed one. The [I]insides[/I] of the frame, the finish of the tubes, the bottom bracket shell, every braze, all the internal stuff is immaculate. The first time I saw a Colnago masters was just after that. The finish on the stuff you can't see on those frames was different level, the person who built it gave a fuck. Those bikes almost put themselves together, everything just fitted. When you put the bottom bracket cups in, they snugged up perfectly. I would almost pay to put those bikes together, it was satisfying. And since they were so easy to build, you could spend ages on silly details like making the tape perfect or whatever. I'm not sure if the newer carbon stuff is the same, but those old steel Italian jobbies were joy inducing objects altogether. [/QUOTE]