It's the Friday 80s Pop song thread (2 Viewers)

nuke terrorist · Mar 20, 2021

as far as the Cameroon '90 / Billy Ocean football story goes -

my own favourite delusional football memory is that in injury time at the end of 1992 UEFA Cup
Final Swede Stefan Pettersson of Ajax (who won 2-2 on away goals) threw the ball away to waste time
then a Torino player punched Pettersson in the fore arm and broke his arm putting him out of Euro '92 in
his home country !

when I looked at the match on you tube over 20 years the reailty was very different:
Pettersson did suffer a badly hurt his arm in injury time BUT it was after falling awkwardly at the corner flag after being fouled. AND I can find no evidence it was a fracture and it seems he was just wasn't selected for the Swedish squad for Euro 92.

that was a hell of a lot of sexing up !

Cormcolash · Mar 20, 2021

nuke terrorist said:
as far as the Cameroon '90 / Billy Ocean football story goes -

my own favourite delusional football memory is that in injury time at the end of 1992 UEFA Cup
Final Swede Stefan Pettersson of Ajax (who won 2-2 on away goals) threw the ball away to waste time
then a Torino player punched Pettersson in the fore arm and broke his arm putting him out of Euro '92 in
his home country !

when I looked at the match on you tube over 20 years the reailty was very different:
Pettersson did suffer a badly hurt his arm in injury time BUT it was after falling awkwardly at the corner flag after being fouled. AND I can find no evidence it was a fracture and it seems he was just wasn't selected for the Swedish squad for Euro 92.

that was a hell of a lot of sexing up !

At least he didn't nearly die after falling off Tony Adams' shoulders

Lili Marlene · Mar 20, 2021

nuke terrorist said:
THE ASSOCIATES WHEN ALAN RANKINE WAS IN THE BAND WERE THE BEST POP GROUP EVER IMO.

I finally got the CD of their early BBC sessions recently it was £23 BUT the first Peel Session from 1981
is one of the best things I've ever heard and is my fave Peel Session ever.
unlike the records Alan's guitar is nice and high in the mix,
unlike the CD this features Mr Ravenscroft talking

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Associates - The Radio One Sessions Volume One 1981-1983

View credits, reviews, tracks and shop for the 2003 CD release of "The Radio One Sessions Volume One 1981-1983" on Discogs.

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the second excellent Peel Session from 1982 has an early version of Waiting For The Love Boat.

another '83 Peel session has Billy singing accompanied by piano (ala later Marc Almond)
which with that voice works well.

and there's a 1984 session of Perhaps era material recorded for Kid Jensen which is much
less slick than the LP and is surprisingly really good.
in Perhaps (Schizophrenic Version) Billy's lyrics are taking the piss and he ends up sings about turds !

I've only listened to the post Alan Rankine stuff the odd time and don't have any of those albums.
but how many post punk greats lost the plot by the mid 80's ? nearly all of them.
Perhaps has the songs but just sounds a bit too slick. a lot of 80's production went this way at the time.

THE ASSOCIATES vinyl is cheap - for whatever reason they aren't a 'collectable' band.

I don't have any Paul Haig solo stuff either - I suppose for similar reasons.

Best pop group EVER?? Big claims there Nuke Terrorist, big BIG claims.

Nate Champion · Mar 21, 2021

nuke terrorist said:
THE ASSOCIATES WHEN ALAN RANKINE WAS IN THE BAND WERE THE BEST POP GROUP EVER IMO.

I finally got the CD of their early BBC sessions recently it was £23 BUT the first Peel Session from 1981
is one of the best things I've ever heard and is my fave Peel Session ever.
unlike the records Alan's guitar is nice and high in the mix,
unlike the CD this features Mr Ravenscroft talking

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Associates - The Radio One Sessions Volume One 1981-1983

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the second excellent Peel Session from 1982 has an early version of Waiting For The Love Boat.

another '83 Peel session has Billy singing accompanied by piano (ala later Marc Almond)
which with that voice works well.

and there's a 1984 session of Perhaps era material recorded for Kid Jensen which is much
less slick than the LP and is surprisingly really good.
in Perhaps (Schizophrenic Version) Billy's lyrics are taking the piss and he ends up sings about turds !

I've only listened to the post Alan Rankine stuff the odd time and don't have any of those albums.
but how many post punk greats lost the plot by the mid 80's ? nearly all of them.
Perhaps has the songs but just sounds a bit too slick. a lot of 80's production went this way at the time.

THE ASSOCIATES vinyl is cheap - for whatever reason they aren't a 'collectable' band.

I don't have any Paul Haig solo stuff either - I suppose for similar reasons.

That Peel session is... incendiary to eh, use a music journo cliché... but if MacKenzie was any more intense he might combust.

I thought the reason they weren't collectible is because they are one of those bands who were signed/eaten up contractually to/by Warner's... and there's an overabundance of their records out there from a major label and no competition to the rights. Have they been forgotten in the rewriting of the post-punk annals? Were they ever likely to have been massive? I'm not even sure how big they were in their day. Just perceive them as a top tier post-punk era band who have sadly gone neglected... or have they?

Some label like Superior Viaduct would need to whip up the first few records - that might draw some attention to them.

Always enjoy listening to Josef K, but they go through me... the songs never catch me - they lack some distinctive sonic/characterful component that would make them truly stand out.

nuke terrorist · Mar 21, 2021

Lili Marlene said:
Best pop group EVER?? Big claims there Nuke Terrorist, big BIG claims.

the Associates stuff from 80-82 is stellar.
but yeah - it's hard to compare them to someone who delivered the goods a over a long time.
the songs, Billy's voice and Alan's guitar are all really, really unique.

EDIT: for the record SULK was a top 10 LP and it's singles were all chats hits w/ Party Fears Too
peaking at 9. the 6 singles from 1981 were all big indie hits.
the early 4AD stuff is another example of records being, surprisingly, cheap.
END EDIT.

also the Associates had Mike Dempsey (ex Cure) on bass and two fascinating people who were
involved in a lot of interesting things over a long time -

Aussie drummer John Murphy (1959-2015)

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and Canadian Martha Ladly

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Associates - Club Country video shot by French TV in 1982.
from what I know this was shot on a roof terrace garden in Kensington and was lost for a long time until it was rediscovered about 5 years ago. a video was shot indoors at the same place for Party Fears Too.

as far as Josef K goes I love songs like Fun n Frenzy, Sorry For Laughing, The Angle, Revelation etc.
definitely a band who had problems capturing in what they could do live when in a studio.

my other fave Scottish band from that era would be THE SCARS from Edinburgh.
they recorded an amazing flop LP for Charsima's reggae/post punk label Pre Records who also wasted
DELTA 5's talents.
THE SCARS - All about You (1981)

Cornu Ammonis · Mar 21, 2021

nuke terrorist said:
Aussie drummer John Murphy (1959-2015)

Wow, he was in a lot of bands with dodgy politics (Blood Axis, DIJ, Der Blutharsch, NON along with a few that set off a warning based on the names alone).

Cormcolash · Mar 21, 2021

Cornu Ammonis said:
Wow, he was in a lot of bands with dodgy politics (Blood Axis, DIJ, Der Blutharsch, NON along with a few that set off a warning based on the names alone).

He must have been a good drummer

GARYXKNIFEDX · Mar 21, 2021

seems he played on this great 7"

Lili Marlene · Mar 21, 2021

nuke terrorist said:
the Associates stuff from 80-82 is stellar.
but yeah - it's hard to compare them to someone who delivered the goods a over a long time.
the songs, Billy's voice and Alan's guitar are all really, really unique.

EDIT: for the record SULK was a top 10 LP and it's singles were all chats hits w/ Party Fears Too
peaking at 9. the 6 singles from 1981 were all big indie hits.
the early 4AD stuff is another example of records being, surprisingly, cheap.
END EDIT.

also the Associates had Mike Dempsey (ex Cure) on bass and two fascinating people who were
involved in a lot of interesting things over a long time -

Aussie drummer John Murphy (1959-2015)

John Murphy (musician) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

John Murphy

Explore the discography of John Murphy. Shop for vinyl, CDs, and more from John Murphy on Discogs.

www.discogs.com

and Canadian Martha Ladly

Martha Ladly - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Martha Ladly

Explore the discography of Martha Ladly. Shop for vinyl, CDs, and more from Martha Ladly on Discogs.

www.discogs.com

Associates - Club Country video shot by French TV in 1982.
from what I know this was shot on a roof terrace garden in Kensington and was lost for a long time until it was rediscovered about 5 years ago. a video was shot indoors at the same place for Party Fears Too.

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as far as Josef K goes I love songs like Fun n Frenzy, Sorry For Laughing, The Angle, Revelation etc.
definitely a band who had problems capturing in what they could do live when in a studio.

my other fave Scottish band from that era would be THE SCARS from Edinburgh.
they recorded an amazing flop LP for Charsima's reggae/post punk label Pre Records who also wasted
DELTA 5's talents.
THE SCARS - All about You (1981)

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Ah great post. I like what I've heard by the Associates but haven't given them enough time, just a few of their big songs really, I'll have to properly listen. I do like his voice for sure though.

I have to admit to being consistently underwhelmed by Delta 5 and Josef K, I truly don't see or hear what others do. Never heard of the Scars!

nuke terrorist · Mar 22, 2021

Cornu Ammonis said:
Wow, he was in a lot of bands with dodgy politics (Blood Axis, DIJ, Der Blutharsch, NON along with a few that set off a warning based on the names alone).

I wouldn't dispute that. Murphy did lots of great things but seems to have had very poor judgement or total apathy in regard to some people he choose to work with.
I'm only familiar with some of the many things he did. some of the bands distributed by World Serpent seemed to be very close to some very dodgy stuff.

THE SCARS had a comprehensive 3 CD set issued by Cherry Red last year.

Scars: Author! Author!, 3CD Expanded Edition - Cherry Red Records

This release is a comprehensive 3 CD set of the 1981 Scars album, “Author! Author!” plus related bonus tracks. It is the definitive collection of the band’s material.

www.cherryred.co.uk

of the UK major label post punk bands they must be one of the least remembered.

this SCARS tune, a cover of a David Essex song from his 1980 motorbike racer movie Silver Dream Machine sounds uncannily like what The Jesus And Mary Chain were doing a few years later.

here's Martha Ladly after finishing with the Associates, Martha and The Muffins and OMD doing some solo stuff

nowadays she's a music media lecturer.

Lili Marlene · Mar 22, 2021

It's one of those fascinating contradictions that major label also-rans are usually forgotten a lot quicker than third rate indie signings.

nuke terrorist · Mar 22, 2021

completely true Lili.

I don't think I ever even heard of the Scars until the 2000's.
I was surprised to find they had an LP on a major and had been on Whistle Test etc.
Josef K or The Fire Engines were even in the 90's well remembered but the post punk revival and
endorsement from Franz Ferdinand etc. meant they became massively more popular in the
90's when Domino reissued both bands work.

Cornu Ammonis · Mar 22, 2021

nuke terrorist said:
some of the bands distributed by World Serpent seemed to be very close to some very dodgy stuff.

Yeah, despite World Serpent releasing some terrific stuff that was anti-fash (Coil and NWW) they released a lot of awful “We’re just playing with the symbolism, honest” artists. Most of them seem to be released by Cold Spring now.

nuke terrorist · Mar 22, 2021

Cornu Ammonis said:
Yeah, despite World Serpent releasing some terrific stuff that was anti-fash (Coil and NWW) they released a lot of awful “We’re just playing with the symbolism, honest” artists. Most of them seem to be released by Cold Spring now.

I've listened to a fair bit of Coil and NWW but I'm not into much of it, but I have checked it out over the years.
(I love Maurizio Bianchi and things like that though)

put it this way: I wouldn't have bought a Death In June single in the 90's if were it not for the other bands on World Serpent.

In my experience in the grindcore / noisecore scene, racism is rare due to it's international nature.
but sexism and homophobia plus porn bands are tolterated by too many people in a largely male
scene and this gives legitimacy to people we don't need.

here's some SPECIAL AKA to get the thread back on track...

MALCOLM X - No Sell Out

is there a video for this ? I thought I saw one on TV at one stage.

Kermit McDermott · Apr 23, 2021

I didn't know it was a Stock Aiken Watermark track.

dudley · Apr 23, 2021

Nate Champion · Apr 24, 2021

and the live tv version:

Sunday you need love Monday be alone. Take me to the incredible lyrics thread, and quick.

Here's the Jesus Lizard version [kind of begging for the Duane Dennison guitar tone innit, and could be another detached degenerate David Yow narrative, couldn't it?]:

Kermit McDermott · Apr 30, 2021

Every 80's pop box ticked....

Kermit McDermott · Apr 30, 2021

Hadn't heard this in a loooooong time. That squelchy synth bassline is cool.

therealjohnny · Apr 30, 2021

If this was anyone other than Phil Oakey on vocals this would be just another 80s pop record. His voice does a lot of heavy lifting to give it a bit of an edge

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