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yes the nazi's round a table quote that was referenced in the first place to we don't need to all assume ignorance on my part and quote it ad nauseum that'd be a given

Maybe consider for a second that the act of calling people nazi's is an active part of of the development of of the far right in ireland. Isolated men who want a beacon to tell them they are correct, label them nazis when they are probably just people who get paul galvin jumpers for xmas and dont do media literacy as such, were probably full on expecting china to invade skerries mid covid. Call them fools, call them for wasting peoples time, tell them they'd be better off down working on the community garden or whatever but giving them the satisfaction of telling them they've at least aligned with something, and it gets your back up. Thats handing them something for sure.
 
Well they don't much seem to like being referred to as far-right so i'm not sure they'd wear nazi as a badge of honour.

But anyway, on this forum, where we've known each other for decades I'm comfortable with the shorthand but elsewhere I'll be sure to refer to them as sparkling fascists.
 
yes the nazi's round a table quote that was referenced in the first place to we don't need to all assume ignorance on my part and quote it ad nauseum that'd be a given

Maybe consider for a second that the act of calling people nazi's is an active part of of the development of of the far right in ireland. Isolated men who want a beacon to tell them they are correct, label them nazis when they are probably just people who get paul galvin jumpers for xmas and dont do media literacy as such, were probably full on expecting china to invade skerries mid covid. Call them fools, call them for wasting peoples time, tell them they'd be better off down working on the community garden or whatever but giving them the satisfaction of telling them they've at least aligned with something, and it gets your back up. Thats handing them something for sure.
If there’s one Nazi at a table and 10 other people talking to them, then there’s 11 Nazis at the table.
 
If there’s one Nazi at a table and 10 other people talking to them, then there’s 11 Nazis at the table.

If there's one mouthpiece on twitter organising a protest where people bravely shout at people who are essentially in cages already because they are a bunch of cowards in paul galvin jumpers who need direction in life and that mouthpiece has been swanning around europe getting selfies with people who align with an organisation from 1945 then everyone on irish twitter, or 'the table' in the case we are talking about here, is a nazi. Simples.
 
If there's one mouthpiece on twitter organising a protest where people bravely shout at people who are essentially in cages already because they are a bunch of cowards in paul galvin jumpers who need direction in life and that mouthpiece has been swanning around europe getting selfies with people who align with an organisation from 1945 then everyone on irish twitter, or 'the table' in the case we are talking about here, is a nazi. Simples.
If there’s one Nazi at a table and 10 other people talking to them, then there’s 11 Nazis at the table.
 
Nazi is synonymous with far right fascist and has been for decades now. The National Party who have been organizing the protests mentioned above are most definitely far right fascists aka nazis.

Arguing whether people should call them nazis is wasting everyone's time and energy and does fuck all to help anyone.
 
If there's one mouthpiece on twitter organising a protest where people bravely shout at people who are essentially in cages already because they are a bunch of cowards in paul galvin jumpers who need direction in life and that mouthpiece has been swanning around europe getting selfies with people who align with an organisation from 1945 then everyone on irish twitter, or 'the table' in the case we are talking about here, is a nazi. Simples.

Where did you get the idea of a lone mouthpiece?
 
Nazi is synonymous with far right fascist and has been for decades now. The National Party who have been organizing the protests mentioned above are most definitely far right fascists aka nazis.

Arguing whether people should call them nazis is wasting everyone's time and energy and does fuck all to help anyone.

And we keep getting so called nazis?

MAybe we should just call them idiots or something and not just fall into a near century old holding pattern.

That'd be thinking though
 
And we keep getting so called nazis?

MAybe we should just call them idiots or something and not just fall into a near century old holding pattern.

That'd be thinking though

Because the organizers are not idiots but are far right fascists aka nazis. Have you actually thought this through? How does calling a fascist a nazi create more fascists?
 
Yes a singular one aka lone. Where did you get the idea there was one mouthpiece organizing protests?

Well they are Nazi's apparently by everyones definition, surely they are a bunch of faceless fools with some kind of furher? Barret? Kelly? one of those people who wear loafers and get the weeks shopping in a petrol station for sure. If they are in fact acting internally democratically, then they wouldn't really fit the definition so well.
 
Well they are Nazi's apparently by everyones definition, surely they are a bunch of faceless fools with some kind of furher? Barret? Kelly? one of those people who wear loafers and get the weeks shopping in a petrol station for sure. If they are in fact acting internally democratically, then they wouldn't really fit the definition so well.

Sorry I don't get what you mean here. It's like you've just asked a bunch of questions instead of answering the one question I asked.

Manifesting

So by this logic if I keep calling people anarchists we'll get more anarchists or to use your own suggestion of we keep calling them idiots we'll get more idiots? Not sure that works at all.

Unless you're suggesting that people only call them nazis because they want more nazis which I don't think works either.

I guess you haven't thought this through.
 
I just don't give them enough credit to align them with a murder machine headed by one person from many years ago.

I don't think they are worth calling nazis or facists because they are just a bunch of people from skerries or somewhere (no shade whatsoever to skerries I picked it at random) that have a bit more spare time than required, haven't any real problems in life so they have to invent a few and also dont identify with anyone too well who doesn't talk in absolutes.

Why not just call them bored shouting men with no ideas. The gap between what actual nazi's did and a few people in gilets shouting at a building is absolutely huge. You either have to trivialise one or add some kind of inflation to the other to make them comparable.

Have i thought this through? yes.

If they are just bored men outside a building, they are not nazis, they are bored men with no real problems. So not nazis.

If they align with hitler or whatever sad incarnation that train of thought has reached today and want to be called nazis, I'm not going to bother, i still think they are out of touch. So no reason to use the word.

In my orbits of twitter, i see people elevating the posts where these words are thrown around.

I did answer your question. If you define them as nazi's then they must have furher, unless these are democratic nazis who have an equity based decision mechanism, in which case, they are not nazis.
 
I don't agree that the people organizing these protests are just bored. I kinda think it's naive to believe that tbh.

I think possibly the issue here is just that people have stopped using the prefix neo in front of nazi because the National Party are by definition neo-nazis and don't need a fuhrer for that to hold.

 
Well done on doing what now?
Well, I was enjoying myself.

And we keep getting so called nazis?

MAybe we should just call them idiots or something and not just fall into a near century old holding pattern.

That'd be thinking though
Thinking would be to use an ableist slur for the handicapped instead of a derogatory term for the National Socialist party? The kind of handicapped people who were the first to be put to death during the holocaust by the Actually Actual Nazis™?
 
I went to the same school as Justin Barrett. an older friend of mine was in class with him.
They thought Barrett bullied his side kick friend and was very unlikeable. he had some fascination with a bad guy born in 1889 and would know when it was his birthday.

A few years ago Barrett was back in the village/town for a public meeting on a direct provision centre opening there.
a hotel in the midlands that was being renovated to accept migrants had been burned down about a week earlier and that place had received a huge amount of bad rep on the back of that.

So when it was Borrisokane's turn and Barrett turned up a lot was on the line.
Barrett was shouted down when folks realised who he was and some people walked out or threatened to go.
There is a video of this but I'm not linking it because the National Party posted it themselves on youtube.

After that the consensus was- don't end up like the other place, welcome the migrants and be acutely aware of the pitfalls into racism.
the direct provision centre was some flats that post 2008 era were never used so it was a no brainer to have some folks living there.
The place is still operating and I am not aware of any problems with local community. A friend of mine works with some of the folks there and some of whom nearly died several times trying to get to somewhere safe.
 
someone in their 20's sometimes sends me videos of folks like Ben Gilroy, Yellow Vests, Anti Vax, Stephen Manning, Bull Hansen and recently even Hermann Kelly...

they're a scientist by trade and nice polite person but very naive. they had no interest in activism or politics until the pandemic which really triggered them badly, e.g. the had no real opinion on the abortion referendum and are now tolerant of anti abortion folks.

when this first started in spring 2020 I could see they were in a bad state of mind but initially thought they were left wing until all this stuff started come my way.
I see it as my job to dismantle these folks which is easily done.
I particularly warned them against anyone connected to anyone in Hermann Kelly's circle.
the person's problem is they are letting Yellow Vest types away with lots of bullshit because they agree with some of their other points. they've got poor perception and no bullshit detector.

Stephen Manning is a key person in their thinking. Manning from Mayo was falsely prosecuted for mistreating children when working as a soccer ref. He was cleared three times and twice won large damages. Manning is a polite, slightly eccentric 'anti corruption campaigner', someone I'd expect my friend to like.

Manning went down a rabbit hole with a crusade against the justice system in Ireland and lacking allies fell in with the far right. he was the other party in the online broadcast with Waters and Gemma O'Doherty where they both made racist comments about Varadkar and were cancelled by many of their colleagues.
My friend couldn't even bring themselves criticise Manning for that.

I haven't met this person for over a year.
Before that 'mainstream media', 'anti establishment' etc were almost exclusively leftist / radical terms in my life.
I sent them stuff on Workers Soldiarity, squatting, even the SWP etc. thinking that when they saw something more sensible it would appeal to them - but no. I tend to think they didn't read it.

this person is no real danger to anyone but they're NOT WELL.

the far right in Ireland are very fragmented and if you put all their different factions in a room there'd be a very big row. I can't see them achieving anything in their current state.
 

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