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[magicbastarder]

It’s constantly being dragged up despite no one in SF is a member of The IRA

as pointed out above; and this is my local SF TD.

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[Kermit McDermott]

It’s constantly being dragged up despite no one in SF is a member of The IRA

No one in the last few years anyway.

 

[Lili Marlene]

Here folks I'm happy to deconstruct years of ffg propaganda on the topic of the North and draw all the readily available modern comparisons, but let's face it, you give Mary Lou the keys to the dail and all that going to happen is that she's gonna go straight to the canteen, rip the timer out of the cooker and use it to make an IED just to vaporize a Ford ka in a border town, every fear is completely justifiable.

Because there are things that are hard to look over I can't imagine I will ever vote for FF or FG, assuming I believe SF are a legit party (which I do) how much should I be willing to look over? Genuine question.

 

[pete]

Where is the line of acceptability or political rehabilitation drawn? I mean those other lads were (and still are) called the blueshirts for a reason.

 

[ernesto]

Ah here, they have 2 sitting TD's who did time for their involvement in IRA activities.

as pointed out above; and this is my local SF TD.

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ok, so they served their time over TWENTY years ago and now are NOT members of the IRA, correct?


if youre going to be going back that far....

 

[magicbastarder]

huh; my mate ed owes me £100 from over twenty years ago and i still hold it against him.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Everyone’s red line and sell-by date for this stuff is their own, but are we still a few elections away from drawing a line under the civil war?
Like it’s been a century, and the FF/FG division represents a false choice.
On the plus side, the duopoly does (unfortunately) represent a kind of consensus on what kind of Ireland it is that Irish people want.

 

[Lili Marlene]

Everyone’s red line and sell-by date for this stuff is their own, but are we still a few elections away from drawing a line under the civil war?
Like it’s been a century, and the FF/FG division represents a false choice.
On the plus side, the duopoly does (unfortunately) represent a kind of consensus on what kind of Ireland it is that Irish people want.

True, and FF/FG have gone from 80%+ combined in the 1980's to under 50% in 2016. One hopes these trends continue.

 

[Kermit McDermott]

but let's face it, you give Mary Lou the keys to the dail and all that going to happen is that she's gonna go straight to the canteen,

I think she's doing that already.

 

[ann post]

Because there are things that are hard to look over I can't imagine I will ever vote for FF or FG, assuming I believe SF are a legit party (which I do) how much should I be willing to look over? Genuine question.

The book I was flicking through at the weekend was going into this a bit. It made the point (pretty repetitively tbh) that largely ethics are for bystanders and in the moment of pragmatism is there is only doing or not doing. TBH my personal take is thinking in the now - If there is a candidate i think is worth putting in the dail i'll vote for them. If someone appears to me as a salary journeyman/woman then I probably wont. I don't subscribe to the george w bush definition of 'terrorist' which has become the prevalent understanding of the word, or conception of any non establishment militia (of course the proxy forces are never terrorists), - according to bush the unknown causeless dark enemy that should not be spoken to. It flies completely in the face reconciliation/peacemaking practice. If the above TD who was in prison came to your door do you slam the door in his face calling him a terrorist or do you take opportunity to ask him to contextualize his actions, ask him how he feels about them now and the decide for yourself if he is a worthy public representative or not. One of these paths is intelligent, the other isolationist. the w.bush definition contextually was made by commander in chief the largest most destructive occupying force on the planet in known history at the time, so eh, yknow....

Early eighties would put that guys actions just on the tail end of the hunger strike deaths and the shankhill butcher trials, tempers might have been a little frayed at the time.

that is all history though.

right now we are thundering into neoliberalism, terrible housing arrangements, right wing shit stirring idiots and some stupid climate thing so my lines are more drawn in the now and near future than the past. There won't be any alternative that is going to emerge between now and feb 8th that doesn't contain some % of SF or alternatively a mass uprising so I guess people can call themselves left if they like but waiting for a 100% ethical left is essentially voting right on the numbers present on this date.

 

[ann post]

Where is the line of acceptability or political rehabilitation drawn? I mean those other lads were (and still are) called the blueshirts for a reason.

And when you think about it, a lot of them really havent stopped combing their hair that way.

 

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[Kermit McDermott]

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Risteard Cooper's Ivan Yeats impersonation is spot on. He nails all of Yeats button pushing tricks.
The righteous indignation, constant aggressive interrupting. Making outrageous accusations & then cutting off the interviewee when they are trying to defend themselves. Following up with totally unrelated questions. Good interview with Eamon Ryan.

 

[rettucs]

Where is the line of acceptability or political rehabilitation drawn? I mean those other lads were (and still are) called the blueshirts for a reason.

this

do we give these lads a pass for their past demeanours? If not, then shouldn't that extend to everyone, whether we like them or not?

This occurred to me a bit over the last while where people are adamant to punish those who campaigned against repealing the 8th, regardless of what their other policies might be. One the one hand that's a complete distraction from the issues that are being fought out now. On the other, fuck them.

I don't know what the answer is. I just know I will never vote Shinners, Labour or Fine's Gael or Fail

 

[magicbastarder]

do we give these lads a pass for their past demeanours? If not, then shouldn't that extend to everyone, whether we like them or not?

the thing is, an election is a job interview, not a trial; you're picking who you think is the best, not everyone who meets a certain minimum standard. so you can set the bar as high as you see fit.

i can accept someone has moved on from a previous sin or misdemeanour, but that does not place them within the zone of electability on my ballot paper.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

The IRA killed Arlene's father and she's in govt with the Shinners, because governing is about the future
Everyone in 26 state Irish politics is a bystander by comparison

The FF FG fatwa is political expediency on their part

 

[Unicron]

The IRA killed Arlene's father and she's in govt with the Shinners, because governing is about the future

Point of order; they only tried to kill him.

 

[Lili Marlene]

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[Cormcolash]

I know the IRA probably started with noble intentions but along the way they became just another organized crime gang.

Unlike for instance Fine Gael, who started out as the Irish Nazi Party and then along the way became just another organised crime gang.

 

[Cormcolash]

i know a couple of shinners. they're like cult members; it's like talking to scientologists or people who work for google.

Yeah, they completely are. Plenty of reasons to hate them that aren't the shite peddled by FFG.