Juno
Well-Known Member
I totally understand the frustration that comes from being referred to as a "girl band". Boy bands get to be punk bands, post-punk bands, rock bands, reggae bands, ska bands, or whatever type of bands, whereas bands where the people happen to be female are referred to as "girl bands".
That's it exactly!
The same goes for being labelled riot grrrl. Personally, I am a huge fan of riot grrrl, it really inspired me a lot, but so did lots of other things! It is narrow minded when (mostly male) people see a bunch of girls or women playing music and CAN'T THINK OF ANY WORD TO DESCRIBE IT EXCEPT FOR RIOT GRRRL! How about "freak folk dream pop" or whatever!
However I still love it when bands call themselves riot grrrl bands, because it is such a cool genre and you can still do a lot with it.
I was hugely inspired by the attitude of Riot Grrrl too, and although I wouldn't be mad into some of the music now, there are a few songs I still love (mostly by Bikini Kill). Rightly or wrongly, I just see it as something specific to a time and place - kind of like grunge I suppose.
With regards to your point on the biggest obstacle to woman being in bands being themselves - you then follow this up with the instances of sexism that are all too common when being a woman in a band. Snide remarks from promoters, engineers etc. So I think it can't all just fall on women ourselves to combat sexism - men also have to take responsibility for ending sexism!
Yes, of course you're right. Equality should be everyone's concern. I seem to have explained my point very badly (and perhaps it is indeed an obnoxious opinion). Basically the way I see it is that women have faced gender socialisation and sexism across the board and yet many have made huge inroads into other traditionally male occupations such as, say, medicine and engineering (and I have heard tales of sexist incidents in both areas that would make your hair stand on end). So this makes me think that that the reason for a lack of female participation in rock/punk isn't just that it is seen as a male preserve. It may just be that there aren't loads of women who want to be in bands. Or perhaps (and this was my idea) women see there being more obstacles to being in a band than, for example, being a civil engineer. I would suggest that the actual obstacles (the snide comments etc) are actually not in themselves insurmountable; it is our perception of them and our own sense of anxiety or self-doubt that makes it appear so. I am not blaming girls for lacking confidence, I am just saying that the issue exists. I therefore think that increasing girls' feelings of competence and mastery over the technical side of things would have a positive effect on their confidence (exactly as you're proposing to do with Girls Rock Camp) and might therefore possibly increase the number of women in bands. Does that make sense?
We are having our first meeting in Exchange Dublin on Thursday October 25th from 7pm to 10pm and I would really love if you would think about coming along. We really need voices from women who are and who have been active in the music scene. Either way, it would be totally cool if you would drop a line to [email protected].
I would love to be there - just not sure yet if I can make it due to distance