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nuke terrorist

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the 2km limit applies specifically, and only, to exercise. it's not a limit on how far you can travel to buy food. there is no stated limit on how far you need to travel to buy essentials.
i understand that !
my issue is that no one has explained why 2 km was chosen.
compared to going into a supermarket to do my shopping,
someone going for a walk alone more the 2 km from their
home is an almost irrelevant risk.
very easy to avoid people when out walking at the moment
even in cities.
lone people who go out aren't a problem surely ?

unless this was a statement of intent to show how serious things
are going to get in the next month(s) ?

if so then go for a stricter shutdown now, not next week.

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Gary has probably answered this above. being straight with
people (or me anyway) tends to get great results.
(END EDIT)

i appreciate a lot of folks are suffering hugely, cooped up in cramped
conditions and getting out briefly is a huge relief.

(hey, maybe they don't want separated couples shagging or
something else i know nothing about)
 
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i understand that !
my issue is that no one has explained why 2 km was chosen.
compared to going into a supermarket to do my shopping,
someone going for a walk alone more the 2 km from their
home is an almost irrelevant risk.
very easy to avoid people when out walking at the moment
even in cities.
lone people who go out aren't a problem surely ?

unless this was a statement of intent to show how serious things
are going to get in the next month(s) ?

if so then go for a stricter shutdown now, not next week.

EDIT:
Gary has probably answered this above. being straight with
people (or me anyway) tends to get great results.
(END EDIT)

i appreciate a lot of folks are suffering hugely, cooped up in cramped
conditions and getting out briefly is a huge relief.

(hey, maybe they don't want separated couples shagging or
something else i know nothing about)
The virus is being spread through the movement of people if you limit that then you may hope to limit the transmission and spread of the virus it's really not rocket science. At a shopping market you can buy food it's considered essential that people need to eat hence this is allowed. The 2k guideline is just that really it means stay as close to home as possible why ? Because over 3000 people have died from the virus in the past 24 hours and that figure is set to grow every single day for we don't know how long. It might not make as much sense in a rural area compared to an urban one but these are general guidelines so use your own common sense as well and this is not just in Ireland France are already a couple of weeks in to their lockdown with similar restrictions so it is broad advice that governments are taking from health professionals to try and stop the virus.
 

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I took from it the 2k thing was a handy way to prevent people travelling for exercise,stopping people all descending on glendalough/bull island etc as they've been doing
 

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I took from it the 2k thing was a handy way to prevent people travelling for exercise,stopping people all descending on glendalough/bull island etc as they've been doing
Yeah exactly. No-on lives within 2km of Glendalough and relatively few within 2km of Phoenix Park for example.
 

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The virus is being spread through the movement of people if you limit that then you may hope to limit the transmission and spread of the virus it's really not rocket science. At a shopping market you can buy food it's considered essential that people need to eat hence this is allowed. The 2k guideline is just that really it means stay as close to home as possible why ? Because over 3000 people have died from the virus in the past 24 hours and that figure is set to grow every single day for we don't know how long. It might not make as much sense in a rural area compared to an urban one but these are general guidelines so use your own common sense as well and this is not just in Ireland France are already a couple of weeks in to their lockdown with similar restrictions so it is broad advice that governments are taking from health professionals to try and stop the virus.
OK - you've sold the idea to me now !
next time Varadkar, Harris and co. should spend an extra 90 seconds explaining this.

i don't understand rocket science or why they don't just tell us what they are thinking,
what is the reasoning, what plans might be coming next ?
if we're all in this together be more open.
being open is good for folks peace of mind !
i am not panicking about this and this is not how i treat people or want to be treated.
Yo, let out asses know what's happenin' - that's all i'm sayin'.


yeah, this is just a minor personal gripe - i've done everything i've been asked
and this was only real criticism of a pretty good medical plan so far.

i was used to walking nearly 7 miles but only did 3 miles yesterday and today.
i'm listening to their advice but i am entitled to ask "WHY ?"
 

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i wonder how immigrants with precarious work are doing ?

we must know many people in their situation.

i meet plenty of folks from abroad (esp. Europe) at gigs who are here for last 18 months or less.
some are here to improve their English, some not sure if they will stay or move on etc.
i am afraid i won't see most of them again.
if someone was working in catering etc. they may well have left this month ?
 

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Some south korean guy was on the radio at lunch time talking about how they handled it there. They had practice with MERS in 2015 and have a system of tracking and alerts in place for people who may have crossed paths with an infected person. Pretty impressive in a somewhat dystopian way. Anyway, this guy is also an expert in vaccines and mentioned that work on these is going really fast with human trials already started and more on the way, but that even at breakneck speed it will be 12 to 18 months before there is a vaccine ready to roll out around the world. An interesting point he made was that to go back to normal life stuff like going to restaurants, gigs, travel etc we need a vaccine.
 

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it used to take about 15 years from start to finish to get a medicine on the market.
but i've heard it said by scientists that it's now become a much faster process in last few years.
is this true and why ?
 

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it used to take about 15 years from start to finish to get a medicine on the market.
but i've heard it said by scientists that it's now become a much faster process in last few years.
is this true and why ?
yes.

money and technology.

Irrespective, any vaccine and/or anti-viral will be fast tracked so it will have that advantage
 

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it used to take about 15 years from start to finish to get a medicine on the market.
but i've heard it said by scientists that it's now become a much faster process in last few years.
is this true and why ?
Yes and no.

Making things faster: We have better preclinical models and tools, better predictions as to what will work and what won’t, and we have a much larger scientific community working on these problems.

Slowing things down: Much more stringent safety testing, fear of losing money due to failed drug (millions to billions).

So while we have drugs making it to market faster than they would have years ago, we now also have drugs not making it to market at all that might have in the past. For example, it is unlikely that the thalidomide scandal would happen now and many older drugs are being withdrawn or limited due to safety concerns despite being deemed safe at the time of release.
 

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fear of losing money due to failed drug (millions to billions).
It wont apply here but a lot of drugs get orphaned too. Development ceases because they are unlikely to turn a profit. A guy who did a seminar basically told *us that there was more or less a fully developed treatment for trigeminal neuralgia, but the case numbers just don't make financial sense. This won't happen with Coronavirus though.
 

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you've heard the story about viagra possibly being a very effective treatment for period pain, but since it's now a generic, no-one is interested in pouring money into that research?
 

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you've heard the story about viagra possibly being a very effective treatment for period pain, but since it's now a generic, no-one is interested in pouring money into that research?
Most drugs are likely safe during breastfeeding and pregnancy but no company will pay for that research to be done. In fairness, I imagine it would be hard to recruit volunteers (I’d certainly advise against it).
 

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It wont apply here but a lot of drugs get orphaned too. Development ceases because they are unlikely to turn a profit. A guy who did a seminar basically told *us that there was more or less a fully developed treatment for trigeminal neuralgia, but the case numbers just don't make financial sense. This won't happen with Coronavirus though.
Very true and sometimes they get bought over by other companies and developed. Any idea who was developing the TN treatment?
 

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