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[seanc]

I haven't read that book but my friend who's a tour guide in a concentration camp in Germany loathes it. He's not afraid of upsetting well meaning but dumb Americans who cite it to him.

 

[egg_]

Why does he loathe it?

 

[magicbastarder]

the book presents a tragedy where a young innocent german kid is accidentally killed in the concentration camp. that's kinda problematic.

 

[seanc]

the book presents a tragedy where a young innocent german kid is accidentally killed in the concentration camp. that's kinda problematic.

EDIT: Actually meant to quote @egg_ there.


think because it papers over the horror of it and complicity of the general public. I don't think he'd mind me quoting him:

"[30/01, 12:24] +49 **********: Very good. You have no idea the amount of times people on tours mention to me The Boy in the Stripes Pyjamas and how it affected them or how it taught them about the Holocaust. I have to tell them something like 'that's nice, but you have to realise it's complete fiction and never happened and you should read an actual historical source or biography'. Last year the Auschwitz memorial basically had to tell people to stop using that book to study what happened at Auschwitz-Birkenau as it is a work of fantasy and has ZERO historical value, and they are completely right about that. Now, when it comes to teaching kids, particularly American kids, about the Holocaust I know that they have been using Maus for decades to slowly introduce children into the time period, so by the time they are older they will have a better understanding of bigotry, anti Semitism and how groups like the Nazis came to power. But I think removing the "unpleasant stuff" because it might upset some children is insanely wrong and will lead within one or two school generations to this stuff being sidelined altogether.
[30/01, 12:30] +49 **********: It's part of a much wider ranging problem in the USA of helicopter, or more recently "bulldozer" parenting removing any obstacles or upsetting material that the kids might not like, and then the kids as adults can't handle tough or upsetting situations. It also something I can definitely see developing here in western Europe too. If you can read "The Coddling of the American Mind" as it explains it better than I can."

 

[egg_]

The Coddling of the American Mind

I actually was reading a comments thread about Goodnight Moon (a picture book for babies/toddlers) on Hacker News yesterday, and someone was arguing that the book might be "triggering" for kids who are afraid of the dark

Once again, I couldn't even

 

[egg_]

... but having said that I don't think every novel set during A Bad Thing needs to reflect the full horror of that thing. Writers can write what they want, I reckon

(but having said that I've never read The Boy In the Striped Pyjamas, so maybe I'd hate it too)

 

[Unicron]

... but having said that I don't think every novel set during A Bad Thing needs to reflect the full horror of that thing. Writers can write what they want, I reckon

(but having said that I've never read The Boy In the Striped Pyjamas, so maybe I'd hate it too)

At this point many objections to the book are wrapped up in how much of a dick the author is.

 

[magicbastarder]

... but having said that I don't think every novel set during A Bad Thing needs to reflect the full horror of that thing. Writers can write what they want, I reckon

(but having said that I've never read The Boy In the Striped Pyjamas, so maybe I'd hate it too)

i also think it's an issue if the book is used as a teaching aid about the holocaust. which is what seems to have happened; because then it's being presented to kids as somehow representative.

would be interesting to dig out a copy of 'across the barricades' and see how well that has weathered.

 

[Cormcolash]

... but having said that I don't think every novel set during A Bad Thing needs to reflect the full horror of that thing. Writers can write what they want, I reckon

That was Hitler's thought when he was writing Mein Kampf etc etc

 

[Cormcolash]

i also think it's an issue if the book is used as a teaching aid about the holocaust. which is what seems to have happened; because then it's being presented to kids as somehow representative.

would be interesting to dig out a copy of 'across the barricades' and see how well that has weathered.

Read that in school, I don't remember so well but it seemed decent enough really.

 

[nuke terrorist]

and surely adults should know TBITSPs is a watered down kids book?!

The Silver Sword by Ian Serrelier is the same type of thing for previous generations of kids.
in the post war chaos of 1945 you are supposed to believe these kids who have gotten separated from their folks travel across Germany unaccompanied to be reunited with them. and it's really badly written.

 

[rettucs]

Geniez handed four-month suspended sentence for domestic violence

Prosecutors had requested a six-month suspended sentence for the Frenchman

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I picked this cunt up off the road after he fell off his bike beside where I was standing in the 2014 tour de france.

 

[David Kronenbourg]

TBITSP is a shite book. Maus is brilliant, was sobbing by the end of it.

 

[David Kronenbourg]

From yas kween to eww, racist much? in record time. Bravo

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[Cormcolash]

Sam Elliot is right, Power Of The Dog is average as fuck

 

[David Kronenbourg]

Sam Elliot is right, Power Of The Dog is average as fuck

I liked it but I thought it was bad casting. Cumberbatch is awfuk

 

[Cormcolash]

He was alright in that film, it's just not a great film. Like it's good, but it's nowhere near award good.

 

[Unicron]

From yas kween to eww, racist much? in record time. Bravo

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Was it racist or was it just demeaning their accomplishments because they were only competing against women?

 

[David Kronenbourg]

I don’t know

 

[David Kronenbourg]

Also it was a throwaway comment and they’re all rich fuckers so really who gives a fuck?