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Positive Marlene

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Arrgh! Must everyone already have their mind made up in advance about every fucking thing!?
In regards declaring war and sending in the troops and the drones I'd say yes; we've seen every kind of spin used to justify wars that never end. It doesn't mean you shouldn't vote for someone, it's not a purity test, but no harm in knowing the actual history of a candidate.
 

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I saw Boris on tv this morning standing in front of a JCB giving out shit about immigrants. Probably the first time a JCB has heard a toff accen up close. What a fucking cunt, and fuck BBC for playing into that stunt.
 

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It's likely we'd agree that whatever Bernie voted for was A Bad Thing, but it's unlikely that WW2 was the last ever justifiable war
Eh, yes to the first bit anyway.

I just left a hipster coffee shop in downtown Dalston. There was a group of young socialists murmuring to each other that "Corbyn is still the absolute boy", so that settles it.
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"If you're not a socialist when you're 20 then you have no soul but if you're not a conservative by the...."
 

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I think Theresa May is a serious problem in all this.
She makes a call for cross-party co-operation and then almost immediately rules out working with Labour.

May is the MP for Maidenhead, which has been Conservative for decades - if not, centuries. It's the one of the safest seats for the Tories. Unlike Irish politicians, who often represent constituencies with other TDs with totally different political viewpoints, May has never really had to reach across the political divide. She, like many Tory and Labour MPs, is more concerned with political ideals and party politics than she is about the people she's supposed to represent.

As she scrambles for a coherent position from Westminster, we see her continued refusal to budge on her "red lines". It's more important to her, like it was for David Cameron, to keep the Tory party together rather than doing something for the national interest.

The EU are perplexed that the UK hasn't formed a National Government. Right now the UK needs it's very best politicians at the helm. May is far from the being one of the best politicians in Westminster. She, like may of her Tory colleagues, are a symptom of the First Past The Post system. This system leads to tribalism and unrepresentative democracies.

Corbyn is more or less the same. Although it's to a lesser extent, he's never had to really compromise on his beliefs. He's never had to negotiate.

Britain is being split apart. Theresa May gives the impression a pragmatist, yet she's just an ideologue, like most of her colleagues in the Tory party.

She can't negotiate because she's got limited, practical experience in that area. The UK are not going to have a suitable replacement until they completely change the way they do politics.
 

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I think Theresa May is a serious problem in all this.
She makes a call for cross-party co-operation and then almost immediately rules out working with Labour.

May is the MP for Maidenhead, which has been Conservative for decades - if not, centuries. It's the one of the safest seats for the Tories. Unlike Irish politicians, who often represent constituencies with other TDs with totally different political viewpoints, May has never really had to reach across the political divide. She, like many Tory and Labour MPs, is more concerned with political ideals and party politics than she is about the people she's supposed to represent.

As she scrambles for a coherent position from Westminster, we see her continued refusal to budge on her "red lines". It's more important to her, like it was for David Cameron, to keep the Tory party together rather than doing something for the national interest.

The EU are perplexed that the UK hasn't formed a National Government. Right now the UK needs it's very best politicians at the helm. May is far from the being one of the best politicians in Westminster. She, like may of her Tory colleagues, are a symptom of the First Past The Post system. This system leads to tribalism and unrepresentative democracies.

Corbyn is more or less the same. Although it's to a lesser extent, he's never had to really compromise on his beliefs. He's never had to negotiate.

Britain is being split apart. Theresa May gives the impression a pragmatist, yet she's just an ideologue, like most of her colleagues in the Tory party.

She can't negotiate because she's got limited, practical experience in that area. The UK are not going to have a suitable replacement until they completely change the way they do politics.
How much of that do you ascribe to the first past the post system? Because a lot of that sounds very like Ireland where TDs are loyal to the party above all else. The classic example was FF not going into government with FG for the good of the country (a move all the more obvious given how ideologically close both parties are) but rather 'support' the minority government in this weird gentleman's agreement conjured up so that both parties aren't decimated in the next election for going in together. Brian Cowan was a classic example. Acceeding power amid turmoil his victory speech was all about loyalty, loyatly, loyalty and it was no secret that it was party loyalty that he meant. He appointed his best mate Mary Coghlan as Tánaiste and she was duly awful. If anything Ireland could do with a few more ideologues instead of career politicians of the parish-pump varierty.
 

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