again, youre making an assumption that they give a fuck. they really dont. been obvious quite a while now. even prior to Brexit.I'm not. I'm just wondering if they realise how bad it looks to voters
CuntsJesus, the amount of cunts on Twitter simultaneously saying people are poor because of bad life choices while also defending Question Time guy with "80K isn't that much money if you factor in mortgage , childcare and maybe a divorce. Don't judge if you don't know, be more kind, life is hard for all of us. The real issue is high taxes on the wealth creators."
I can’t put into words the disgust and anger I feel at the right wing politicians and press for spreading these lies. I think British politics is affecting my mental health.I think we can safely say that the "Corbyn is an anti-semite" smear has reached fever-pitch. Anyone who I know who isn't following this stuff closely firmly believes it at this point. I mean, sure, it's bad that most of the media and politicians who are cheering it on are also the ones happy to watch children be firebombed daily in Gaza ("it's complicated") but Corbyn liked a thing on Facebook once
Do you think that jewish people in the UK have no legitimate reason to feel reservations about him?I think we can safely say that the "Corbyn is an anti-semite" smear has reached fever-pitch. Anyone who I know who isn't following this stuff closely firmly believes it at this point. I mean, sure, it's bad that most of the media and politicians who are cheering it on are also the ones happy to watch children be firebombed daily in Gaza ("it's complicated") but Corbyn liked a thing on Facebook once.
The leader who has taken the most amount of action ever against antisemitism in the Labour party? No, I don't. But if we're going to throw massive groups of people in together as all the same, do you think muslims in the UK should have legitimate fears from any party that supports Israel?
It's a proud Irish tradition and a legitimate answer.Thanks for the whatabouty answer?
Yes, that's because you're a good person and you assume that people don't make shit up and disseminate it unless they mean it. And you'd be wrong, because these people are cynical careerists who don't care who they hurt as long as they stay in power.For the record he's my preferred option as PM and I don't think he's a raging anti-semite but that's not the same as not understanding how some people might feel iffy on him.
what evidence is there that he's antisemitic?
I didn't ask if he was antisemetic, I asked if there was reason for Jewish people to feel iffy on him. I don't think there's any question that he's said some dumb shit.I don't. I haven't seen any evidence of Corbyn being antisemitic
Well if your point is that there isn't a single person on the planet who could run for office who won't have some follower who said something antisemitic then I agree. It's crazy that the side who is always being accused of unfairly having "purity tests" suddenly is the side that has to pass this one.I didn't ask if he was antisemetic, I asked if there was reason for Jewish people to feel iffy on him. I don't think there's any question that he's said some dumb shit.
Putting aside the tin-foil hat stuff and the fellow traveller issues and look at a couple of minor things that I think are irrefutably "problematic." Probably the mildest thing that might be a concern. He doesn't do it any more probably because he's been pulled aside and told that it's a bad answer to give but he used to be a fucker for "all lives mattering" antisemitism, that is to say when asked if he condemns it his stock answer used to be along the lines of "yes, I condemn anti-semitism along with Islamophobia, homophobia, sexism and all forms of racism," which is a correct way to feel about things but it's the wrong answer to give to that question.
Similarly there's the whole "don't get British irony" thing. At the very least it was othering of Jewish people. Perhaps I'm being over-sensitive on this one because of my own background and objections to being made to feel that I'm not as Irish because I'm not from an RC background but that doesn't sit right with me.
Do I think that's enough to disqualify him from being PM? No, and certainly not when you look at the other option. I don't even think they're antisemetic in the "hates jews" meaning of the phrase but I'm not jewish and neither is anyone else in this discussion AFAIK and the last 10 years of discussion on the topic of social justice has generally coalesced into a theme of straight, white guys don't get to decide if something is OK above the feelings of a marginalised or minority group. As I said above, I think those things are down to him "not getting it" but I'm not really the type of person who should get to make that call.
There are other things which I think are up for debate, but to me the "it's ALLLLLLLL a smear" argument is a huge overcorrection. And it's really unfortunate that the whole "can't trust those sneaky jews" thing (which I'm not accusing anyone here of propagating) is in itself an antisemitic trope.
And some of his supporters definitely are.
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