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    The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)

    Hahaha Fucking snap. Also +1 to this. Everyone is probably bored of me banging on about Keith Johnstone's book "Impro" (about theatrical improvisation) at this stage, but a central part of what he says is "do what's obvious". The more obvious it is to you, the truer to your self it is
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    The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)

    @Lili Marlene there's a style of music writing that I despise that consists mainly of cool-sounding descriptions of the music that you used to get a lot in NME and Hot Press and the like. That's what I meant, I coulda described it better I spose. FWIW I also find the academic-style...
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    The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)

    If you're talking about the kind of music writing where the subject is the writer and the music is just context then yes I agree, but she subjective rabbit hole is what music is all about, surely?
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    The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)

    I also dislike people describing the music in a music-journalist-y way. I can hear it for myself, thank you very much. I am interested in how the music affects you on an emotional/physical level, and why you think it does that I realise I'm on the minority on this, so carry on
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    The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)

    Not at all. What I dislike is the stamp-collecting aspect that creeps into these discussions, and the way people tend to impose standard stories (like the brave artist breaking social taboos) upon real people's lives. The real stories are more interesting, and I very much enjoyed your backstory...
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    The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)

    Hahaha /me points finger at other posters for being complicit in this I suppose arguing about ground-breakingness or importance in the context of popular music just strikes me as daft, and that's what I'm reacting against here. The tunes are mostly good, the lyrics are kinda teenager-y. Good...
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    The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)

    They weren't a popular music act though. The Beatles writing about drugs was a totally different thing - they were megastars, they actually had something to lose. VU were just artsy types making up tunes for themselves and their friends with fairly one-dimensional lyrics about shit from their...
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    The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)

    So? People have written songs about sex and drugs and death for thousands of years. The recorded music industry was gonna catch up sooner or later I don't doubt his sincerity, but I don't think he's saying anything of substance - just some mildly shocking shit
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    The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)

    Damn near everyone knows someone who's been affected by drug addiction or violence against women, and everyone dies.
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    The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)

    I get the Monkees thing - many of the decent tunes on this are just 60s pop with slightly screwy arrangements and primitive musicianship. Sunday Morning, Femme Fatale, etc. I'll Be Your Mirror reminds me of You Don't Own Me I like it, but don't love it and the last couple of tracks and the...
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