The Russian invasion of Ukraine (5 Viewers)

[JohnnyRaz]

Very much seems so
We gotta be careful not to gather all these bits of information and accumulate them with confirmation bias

But there are a LOT of these bits of information about how he's insulated himself from teh facts on the ground and other macro realities, and he's off on his own messianic narrative.
If we were hearing this from his enemies, it's one thing. But there seems to be rakes of attribution to people who are ostensibly on his side, or at east very pro-Russia.


It's not that unusual a situation. Stalin, Hitler and so on.
BUt look at the Bush govt before Iraq - only one narrative was allowed around Bush by Cheney, everything else was fucked out.
Look at all those bankers who almost torpedoed the world economy in 2008. I mean there are probably countless examples I'm too tired to think of.

Almost everyone with great power is susceptible to this, until eventually you hit an iceberg and you're scrambling for lifeboats.

Sorry, that was a very long 'yes'

This guys rise is an interesting side story to current events.. how Wagner is interlinked with both russias military and economic interests etc.

Yevgeny Prigozhin - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Deadmanposting]

I kinda periodically try and find some non-Russian, non-Western reports on the news, which is where I came across this report of “credible allegations” of summary executions of the 175 Russian prisoners held by Kyiv’s forces, among other abuses. and of course similar credible allegations against Russia, although I knew about them

Russia and Ukraine have tortured prisoners of war: UN

Investigation by UN human rights office reveals abuses by both warring sides in nearly nine-month-long conflict.

www.aljazeera.com

don't love a war, anyone got any updates on an end to it?

Ukraines are just as capable of this shit for sure

Must be difficult to keep a cap on the righteous anger they are feeling
Still no excuse for execution or torture


Been thinking about this a bit recently, how do you go from giving your everything, leaving your loved ones, sacrificing all you have to try and stop this existential threat, and you're trying to kill these guys that have butchered and pillaged and raped and wrought wholesale destruction on your country.
But then when they stick their hands up, you gotta get them a bed for the night.
It's the right thing to do, but fuck me that's a handbrake of a turn.

Maybe I'd have to live it to understand it.

 

[Deadmanposting]

This guys rise is an interesting side story to current events.. how Wagner is interlinked with both russias military and economic interests etc.

Yevgeny Prigozhin - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

That was among the most interesting things for me in that NYT article
They talked to one Wagner guy and tracked his experience from prison recruitment to recapture

And also showing Prigozhin's rise in Putin's orbit/esteem etc
The more the regular army fails, the more likely VV is gonna trust these guys
And Russia edges even farther into being a mafia thug state

There is no good news to be had

 

[JohnnyRaz]

That was among the most interesting things for me in that NYT article
They talked to one Wagner guy and tracked his experience from prison recruitment to recapture

And also showing Prigozhin's rise in Putin's orbit/esteem etc
The more the regular army fails, the more likely VV is gonna trust these guys
And Russia edges even farther into being a mafia thug state

There is no good news to be had

Yeah - it’s real state within a state shit

 

[magicbastarder]

i don't know who this guy is, just saw it posted on twitter, but an interesting read - he delves into the supply of arms into crime to an extent here:

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[Lili Marlene]

Jesus that's something alright.

It hadn't really occurred to me before but Putin getting offed will probably end up being a Gaddafi style situation.

 

[JohnnyRaz]

Jesus that's something alright.

It hadn't really occurred to me before but Putin getting offed will probably end up being a Gaddafi style situation.

Bigtime. If Wagner continues to grow in influence I’d say there’s a real possibility of a civil war type fun and games on top of general chaos. Nothing like a billionaire with a private army…

 

[JohnnyRaz]

Another good overview/analysis The revenge of history in Ukraine: year of war has shaken up world order

 

[Deadmanposting]

Another good overview/analysis The revenge of history in Ukraine: year of war has shaken up world order

Man, that is full of gems of insight

It is still a wholly depressing situation

 

[Deadmanposting]

Story from an English reporter embedded with an improvised Ukrainian unit

Tough enough read

The Bravery and the Recklessness of Ukraine’s Improvised Army

Helping repel the Russian invasion are army units with limited military experience. The question for their country is whether they can stay alive long enough to succeed.

www.wsj.com

 

[hydromancer]

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[therealjohnny]

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[seanc]

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People don't get just how fucked up Russia is.

 

[Unicron]

People don't get just how fucked up Russia is.

Russia has some really bad plastic surgeons.

 

[seanc]

Russia has some really bad plastic surgeons.

They do have some wildly adventurous/terrified set designers though.

The stuff they do is genuinely impressive. It could be a great export industry for them, but, y'know, war and that.

 

[ann post]

Beats the shit out of grand designs, EastEnders and I'm a reality come dancing with me

 

[hydromancer]

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North Korea vibe if you ask me

 

[Deadmanposting]

People don't get just how fucked up Russia is.

Beyond help

Its true superpower status is in how much of an utter shitshow it is

Untouchable

 

[JohnnyRaz]

these pricks again...

Putin ally fighting to control salt and gypsum mines near Ukraine city of Bakhmut, says US

Officials believe Yevgeny Prigozhin – owner of the private military Wagner Group – is vying for natural resources to help fund Russia’s war

www.theguardian.com

 

[Deadmanposting]

these pricks again...

Putin ally fighting to control salt and gypsum mines near Ukraine city of Bakhmut, says US

Officials believe Yevgeny Prigozhin – owner of the private military Wagner Group – is vying for natural resources to help fund Russia’s war

www.theguardian.com

Yeah, dispiriting
I actually didn't know Bakhmut was about resources
This is how they do though

They have taken over the natural resources of the Central African Republic and rule by the gun there also