I know what you mean by the first one. The way I experience it is like someone is sitting on my legs. Then I feel an awful sense of dread and a nefarious presence (i.e. ghost). When I try to move I'm totally paralysed and the more terrified I become the less paralysed I am. As soon as I can move again the sense of dread and evil goes too. Its horrible
oh that's more a traditional night paralysis.
I'm not paralysed in that one, it's not even all that frightening. It's just on the further end of disturbing I suppose. What you're talking about is something I'd be much more scared of experiencing.
I listened to this I think years ago, it might be talking about what you're talking about. It's horrific sounding.