Cormcolash
Well-Known Member
The Australian drama The Hunting was set around a really similar situation to this and it's very good, worth checking out if you haven't seen it.
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"Someone will end up dead". What? Why? How?
I can't be sure or not by guessing because I don't know the ins and outs of the life of egg, but the expereience of being thrown into a reality where possibly both the trust in the people you live with, and the layer of your personal life you keep far from your workplace are both completly decimated literally overnight leaving you entirely between stools is a significant challenge for the old mental health, especially when you are trapped in a lockdown in the dead of november. I can't really speak to the intellectual, but I can fully understand why that lady is concerned that lives might be lost. I haven't had the same experience but I have had less significant versions of that and that's what i'm relating to here in terms of breach of trust being the real issue here.Ok, I totally understand that you would feel betrayed by someone who shared a pic you trusted them with. I don't really understand all the other stuff. But like .
As Rita said women are judged and held to different standards by society as a whole. It is that simple, and you may never get it if it never impacts you personally. Behaviour in a man that is "strong", "powerful", "leadership" is considered "bitchy", "bossy", "domineering" if it is a woman. Raped women are considered as at some level "asking for it" or being at least partially culpable. Murdered women too. Naked pics on the internet can prevent a woman being taken seriously for the rest of her life, it can ruin her career chances. Men are not similarly harmed, the worst they will face is a bit of slagging.Ok, I totally understand that you would feel betrayed by someone who shared a pic you trusted them with. I don't really understand all the other stuff. But like ... if everyone shares pics with their sexual partners now, so men know sexy pics already exist of all the women they know, then why would they never look at them the same if they actually saw one?
(again, I'm not trying to deny people's suffering - I understand it emotionally, but I'm trying to understand it intellectually too)
There are worse things than being dead.Ah, it's lives lost by suicide then. Ok gotcha, thank you @ann post
I think what egg is getting at is "assuming all is equal, and everyone does it, and everyone knows, why would it matter?" which would be true if all was equal, of course the answer is all is not equal.As Rita said women are judged and held to different standards by society as a whole. It is that simple, and you may never get it if it never impacts you personally. Behaviour in a man that is "strong", "powerful", "leadership" is considered "bitchy", "bossy", "domineering" if it is a woman. Raped women are considered as at some level "asking for it" or being at least partially culpable. Murdered women too. Naked pics on the internet can prevent a woman being taken seriously for the rest of her life, it can ruin her career chances. Men are not similarly harmed, the worst they will face is a bit of slagging.
Whoa whoa. Yes there are. Are you saying that you think shame is worse than dying? Wow. OkThere are worse things than being dead.
I'm not really getting at anything tbh. I'm just trying to understandI think what egg is getting at is "assuming all is equal, and everyone does it, and everyone knows, why would it matter?" which would be true if all was equal, of course the answer is all is not equal.
It's not a bit of shame though, which is what you aren't getting. For many girls/women it is a life altered, filled with abuse, ostracism - the modern day equivalent to being an outlaw. You can be harmed and mistreated, overlooked for promotion, bullied and left out of things and if you complain the response will be something like what can you expect, because you are trash. Those photos are taken as permission by every man you've ever spurned who resented it to harrass you, by that creepy guy you wouldn't let kiss you at the office party to send "jokey" sexual harrassment which HR will never address because "your naked photo is on the internet for all to see". I've seen what this kind of thing, even on a small scale, has done to the lives of women I know. They watched their agressor continue to thrive while they were punished over and over in their victimhood. It's a death of a thousand cuts.Whoa whoa. Yes there are. Are you saying that you think shame is worse than dying? Wow. Ok
Haven't seen much about it, a few posts on my twitter from people i don't follow. I feel so far removed from the generation that shares nude photographs and im 38.
For many girls/women it is a life altered, filled with abuse, ostracism - the modern day equivalent to being an outlaw.
Perfectly said.They watched their agressor continue to thrive while they were punished over and over in their victimhood. It's a death of a thousand cuts.
As much as the experience your daughter and her fellow students had is so wrong-you should be so proud of her, what she did was just brilliant , this makes me feel slightly better.That's fucking appalling
In my eldest's school, the girls were told they weren't allowed wear leggings that had mesh patches for PE. No explicit reason why, but the subtext was the same. She was incensed, and has worn the forbidden leggings since, all fired up for a row ... I suspect her PE teacher says nothing cos he has the sense not to get in an argument about sexism with a 15 year old girl.
She gave a presentation in English on the sexist dress code in the school, and has lodged a complaint with the student council. Very proud <3
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