I don't think I want to think about the kind of people who think a concession on some green stuff is worth more than the women and children abused and killed here, It's fucking disgusting.
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I don't think I want to think about the kind of people who think a concession on some green stuff is worth more than the women and children abused and killed here, It's fucking disgusting.
they did it because that's how coalition governments work. they vote together, or they fall.
Everyone having a rager about it all right. Here's a measured enough explanation. It's not a binary perfect, which i think is what twitter wants today.
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@rodericogorman: I’ve seen concern expressed here about the legislation proposed on the Mother and Baby Homes Commission database bill. Given Ireland’s history, I can completely understand the concern around this. I...…
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I don't really get how you're getting "worth more than" part. If it's a choice between having a chance to fix the climate crisis and releasing information about some awful shit that happened 60 years ago then I don't see how it's disgusting to choose the former
Oh also I'm pretty sure the twitters are asking for data that was given in confidence of not being public being made public so there is that side too. I'm not taking a side btw here, i'm adding information.
Why they can't do both is beyond me.
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I imagine they're gonna dig in and not move on it though.
Anyway, clearly Fine Gael and Fianna Fail voters don't care, the Greens are the smallest part of the government and are of course taking all the flak.
The Journal's piece is a fairly comprehensive rebuttal to everything the government have been saying, including RodericEveryone having a rager about it all right. Here's a measured enough explanation. It's not a binary perfect, which i think is what twitter wants today.
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@rodericogorman: I’ve seen concern expressed here about the legislation proposed on the Mother and Baby Homes Commission database bill. Given Ireland’s history, I can completely understand the concern around this. I...…
Dr Maeve O'Rourke: Here's a full analysis of the problems with the Government's Mother and Baby Homes Bill
Lecturer Maeve O’Rourke analyses the government’s nine main arguments in relation to the Bill.
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I imagine they're gonna dig in and not move on it though.
Anyway, clearly Fine Gael and Fianna Fail voters don't care, the Greens are the smallest part of the government and are of course taking all the flak.
Hard to know if the Greens get more shit for being holier-than-thou, or not being holy enough
Mothers, Babies, Homes and their Data
The Government rammed through a piece of legislation taking possession of the data collected by the Commission of Inquiry into Mother and Baby homes, planning to seal it for 30 years.
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So all three parties have pretty shit reputations for acting on the climate change, given how small a stake the Greens have in the government I can't see the other two giving them much concession in return for this or the greens even asking for anything substantial. I don't think they're any more to blame than the other two parties who are much more involved through the whole thing to this day. I'm mostly taking issue with your defending them in return for some sort of concession. The fact that the Church still has such a huge influence on maternity hospitals in this country to me shows that this is a current issue that needs to be dealt with and not buried for 30 years and certainly not something that happened 60 years ago that we should forget about in return for some piecemeal action on climate. That's enough from me anyhow gonna get o with my day.
Ok. I disagree, but you know that
If you can show me some things the greens have achieved that isn't piecemeal I'm all ears.
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The Journal's piece is a fairly comprehensive rebuttal to everything the government have been saying, including Roderic
Dr Maeve O'Rourke: Here's a full analysis of the problems with the Government's Mother and Baby Homes Bill
Lecturer Maeve O’Rourke analyses the government’s nine main arguments in relation to the Bill.
Have you actually read all that? I just tried to and got lost after about three paragraphs so you're a better man than me if you have done so and can verify that it is indeed a 'comprehensive rebuttal'.
As far as I can make out there are two narratives here:
O'Gorman - the legislation we have enacted will avoid us having to seal the archive for 30 years.
Most of Twitter - the legislation you have enacted will result in you having to seal the archive for 30 years.
Both can't be true. Which is it?
from what little i've read, the latest bill is required to prevent the records falling foul of a *previous* bill, and (on the face of it) the greens seem to be sincere in what they're doing:
but the talk from legal types on twitter suggests the legal advice they're operating from is duff:
I have indeed and found it very difficult also.
I suspect that O'Gorman isn't an expert on this stuff so is repeating the summaries he has been given himself, while the lawyer here is able to tear apart what he is being told.
I have no idea if this is down to simple misunderstandings or if certain groups are being protected design or by secret handshake, and a Trump/Johnson-style bluster of "if we keep giving varying responses everyone will spend so much time fact-checking us that the public will lose interest" is going on.
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Cheers. So it's a good deal more complicated than anyone here would likely be able to figure out but we'll make sure to pick our pre-ordained side anyways. Gotcha.
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Mothers, Babies, Homes and their Data
The Government rammed through a piece of legislation taking possession of the data collected by the Commission of Inquiry into Mother and Baby homes, planning to seal it for 30 years.
See Pete's link a few posts back that I've quoted above.
Really? Who do people think are getting protected?
what's that phrase - 'the unreasonable man adapts the world to fit him, and the reasonable man adapts himself to fit the world'?
are the greens being too reasonable? the 'we can't go against what the AG says because we assume he knows better than us'
are the greens being too reasonable? the 'we can't go against what the AG says because we assume he knows better than us'
I'm saying I don't know.
Maybe no one, or no one precisely, but considering how the church has behaved in Ireland over the past 100 years, and how they have refused to pay when ordered to do so, and the power they still wield whether in schools, hospitals or simply land ownership, there's a fair chance that certain machinations were set in place to ensure that details of anyone living, or any politician supporting them, or any major abuses that were known about but ignored, are not released in their lifetime.
I see no vast conspiracy here, just power protecting itself, as should be expected.
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