General election 2020 (1 Viewer)

[_Katie_]

My friend got in a row with someone during the week because he kept saying "the most pressing issue is the environment" - which is obviously a very important issue; but voting for, say, The Green Party over a party who would prioritize social housing and high corporation tax makes me rage spiral. It ended with her in tears saying "you have no idea what waiting lists, social welfare and corporation housing is like mate."

 

[_Katie_]

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Most perfect sketch of all time.

YES OR NO!?!?!?!!?

 

[Lili Marlene]

My friend got in a row with someone during the week because he kept saying "the most pressing issue is the environment" - which is obviously a very important issue; but voting for, say, The Green Party over a party who would prioritize social housing and high corporation tax makes me rage spiral. It ended with her in tears saying "you have no idea what waiting lists, social welfare and corporation housing is like mate."

Will the Green Party of 2020 not prioritize social housing? Genuine question, their policy looks alright to me.

I mean if Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are all that's gonna get in then it doesn't matter what any of the smaller parties and independents want to do, none of it will be on the table. None of it.

 

[therealjohnny]

David (Iona) Quinn on twitter earlier musing on what it would be like if John (fucking) Waters ran for office

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[Denny Oubidoux]

Eh, from the globalist cabal and the rainbow unicorns. I thought that gobshite promised to leave the country if the repeal amendment went through

 

[ann post]

Its symbiotic. Ignore environmental and the waiting lists get longer and housing gets more difficult. We've not gotten off the fossil drip feed and one action, for example trump dumping a missile wherever he likes in the middle east can throw the oil market upside down. Europe makes about 1-2% of global oil. One action like that we have about a 90 day supply while the country grinds to a halt, then you get real waiting lists, construction to today's spec becomes impossible etc etc. (see nora.ie for more on this...)
Likewise if you treat people like shit across healthcare and services they arnt exactly going to jump out of their skin to fund a transition away from this and it'll end up being a brutal enforcement well out of the hands of us or the govt.

People urgently fleeing climate crisis cannot be sent home, UN rules

But it rejects a claim by a man whose Pacific Island nation is threatened by rising sea levels.

www.bbc.com

I mostly agree with friend A though, if you cant do the bottom two tiers well then you are a shit government.

 

[ann post]

Kiribati

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The placenames are great.

 

[Lili Marlene]

Its symbiotic. Ignore environmental and the waiting lists get longer and housing gets more difficult. We've not gotten off the fossil drip feed and one action, for example trump dumping a missile wherever he likes in the middle east can throw the oil market upside down. Europe makes about 1-2% of global oil. One action like that we have about a 90 day supply while the country grinds to a halt, then you get real waiting lists, construction to today's spec becomes impossible etc etc. (see nora.ie for more on this...)
Likewise if you treat people like shit across healthcare and services they arnt exactly going to jump out of their skin to fund a transition away from this and it'll end up being a brutal enforcement well out of the hands of us or the govt.

People urgently fleeing climate crisis cannot be sent home, UN rules

But it rejects a claim by a man whose Pacific Island nation is threatened by rising sea levels.

www.bbc.com

I mostly agree with friend A though, if you cant do the bottom two tiers well then you are a shit government.

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I see a lot of "The Greens are capitalists" talk out there and I dunno, the older Greens (including their party leader) are definitely opportunists who will adopt any economic policy if they can push the green agenda. This also means that put them in power with a socialist government and they'll fall in line no problem.The younger ones, your Peter Kavanagh's and Saoirse McHugh's and the like, seem to be taking a harder line on the issue, pushing left.

Also, they're a party where the membership votes on their positions, no? They're always saying that they're the only party in Ireland who does that.

Ultimately all the smaller parties have to be taking votes off of Fianna Fine and not each other or it's all for nothing.

Someone tell me why i'm completely wrong here.

 

[Unicron]

The few non traditionals who got into galway council have made a little working group, which i think i still a minority but has been partially effective.

It'd be kinda gas because if the weather was looking that way you'd be sure those independent FF types would all be turning on their heels to group with the new majority.

I guess the worst that could happen is it leading to a FFG landslide in 4 years.

I'd be surprised if a left alliance government didn't collapse due to infighting in 9 months.

 

[ann post]

I'd be surprised if a left alliance government didn't collapse due to infighting in 9 months.

How often do they fight in comparison to FFG?

 

[Denny Oubidoux]

Never saw this before

 

[Unicron]

At least they're all pulling together under the one party banner. Labour and SF hate each other. Would be curious was the attitude of some of the remaining Solidarity member think of Murphy. Wouldn't be surprised if words like "splitter" or "collaborationist" get used in private.

 

[_Katie_]

Will the Green Party of 2020 not prioritize social housing? Genuine question, their policy looks alright to me.

I mean if Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are all that's gonna get in then it doesn't matter what any of the smaller parties and independents want to do, none of it will be on the table. None of it.

My understanding of the Green Party is they talk a big game and fail to deliver.

 

[GARYXKNIFEDX]

My understanding of the Green Party is they talk a big game and fail to deliver.

I thought that was the whole point of politics

 

[magicbastarder]

My understanding of the Green Party is they talk a big game and fail to deliver.

i remember pat rabitte being interviewed on d'radio a few years back, i think in the dying days of the FF/lab coalition. he was asked did he want to apologise for not implementing multiple policies they'd promised in their election manifesto.
it was a great piece of radio, he refused to apologise with the obvious point that they hadn't won the election, they'd ended up a junior partner in government, so it was more a case of apologising to the electorate for not having won.

same with the greens, or any party not in power. you can't accuse them of not delivering on their policies if they're not actually in power. and when they were in coalition, the were less than 7% of the ruling coalition. that will dilute their policies somewhat.

 

[Unicron]

I have one of those as well. He is the only person I want coming to my door canvassing.

Just had him at the door. Was a lot more polite to him that I could have been. But I told him the reason he wasn't getting a vote from me was because he opposed holding the referendum.

 

[_Katie_]

i remember pat rabitte being interviewed on d'radio a few years back, i think in the dying days of the FF/lab coalition. he was asked did he want to apologise for not implementing multiple policies they'd promised in their election manifesto.
it was a great piece of radio, he refused to apologise with the obvious point that they hadn't won the election, they'd ended up a junior partner in government, so it was more a case of apologising to the electorate for not having won.

same with the greens, or any party not in power. you can't accuse them of not delivering on their policies if they're not actually in power. and when they were in coalition, the were less than 7% of the ruling coalition. that will dilute their policies somewhat.

Fair point.

 

[egg_]

voting for, say, The Green Party over a party who would prioritize social housing and high corporation tax makes me rage spiral

Hmmm

If someone else knows the same facts you know, but in good faith comes to a different conclusion, then IMO it's pretty disrespectful to fly into a rage.

 

[_Katie_]

Hmmm

If someone else knows the same facts you know, but in good faith comes to a different conclusion, then IMO it's pretty disrespectful to fly into a rage.

You're misunderstanding me. The Green Party was a poor example. I'm saying that someone saying "Well, Ireland's most pressing issue is the environment" to someone who has grown up in corpo housing, raised by a single mother and was very much poor, having someone from Blackrock disregard that because of the environment, yeah, I'm gonna be angry.

Me being angry is my own private business and not disrespectful to anyone. I never said I expressed the anger.

 

[therealjohnny]

i remember pat rabitte being interviewed on d'radio a few years back,

Appearing on RTÉ’s ‘The Week in Politics’ in December, Rabbitte was discussing Labour’s pledge to maintain child benefit rates, when he was accused of not explaining how the promise could be undermined by a further economic slump.

Rabbitte responded by saying, “Isn’t that what you do during an election?”